California mandates first-ever water restriction

They're building desalination plants. See above.

 

If they're growing water-heavy crops in a water-light region, that's dumb and should stop.

What they're doing in LA, San Diego and Las Vegas is inherently unsustainable -- too many people, not enough water. You can only ignore that basic fact for so long. They either need to find another sustainable source of water, or cut way back on water use, or stop trying to grow a city in the middle of a desert.

Desalinization plants are probably the only feasible long-term answer -- but the technology is not quite there yet. Too expensive, and too polluting. So they need another solution, or some realistic plan to bridge the time between now and when industrial-scale desalinization can solve the problem.

 

It is why we should advance fusion (an energy with a future).

 

If you go back into California's history most of the 20th century it has been way wetter than average. California had a 240-year-long drought that started in 850 and, 50 years after the conclusion of that one, another that stretched at least 180 years.

So what we have seen since California became a state is that it received more rain than average. A lot more rain. Perhaps California is reverting back to its normal conditions.

 

I'm sick of the cherry picking............

To supporters, the Carlsbad Desalination Plant is a historic engineering marvel. And it is a survivor, having endured six years of government permitting, from the Carlsbad City Council to the California Coastal Commission. Supporters won 14 lawsuits and appeals by environmentalists before finally breaking ground in December 2012.

Don't be mad at me because your arguments fall apart so easily, all liberal arguments do. 1 desalinization plant is opening in 2016..........1.

 

I'm sick of it too. They are investing in desalination. You claimed they weren't. You are wrong. $1 billion is a lot of money to incest in desalination.

Now, admit you were wrong. I know it's difficult for you.

Oh, and is the high speed rail built yet?

 

No I didn't, I said "California liberals would rather $50 Million dollars per mile on high speed rail than water infrastructure." I said "They're spending $50 million a mile for high speed rail instead". Instead of spending all that money on "water infrastructure". I never said they weren't spending ANY money on desalinization. It's comical the way you twist my words then call me a liar. Your posts are always good for a laugh though considering I live about 150 miles from the plant and it's in the local news.

 

"Instead" means that someone is chose one thing and not the other. It's comical to watch you spin. Next time you should learn what words mean.

Your posts are good for a laugh though.

Definition of "instead":

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/instead

In other words, when you use the word "instead", it means you chose one thing and not the other. You did not do both.

Keep squirming, this is fun.

 

MIT developed a portable solar powered desalination unit with disaster relief in mind.

the article: http://www.gizmag.com/mit-solar-powered-portable-desalination-system/16757/
dates back to 2010, I wonder if these are commercially viable yet. Obviously these are very small scale units and wouldn't be applicable to a city or even a town, but certainly a small coastal community could benefit. I'd put one of these on my prepper plans if a small team is organized. Water as a resource is vital, and what better source than the Worlds' oceans...and it's solar powered!

 

what? you can buy as much private water as you want, if you want to buy jugs of water you can even water your lawn....

 

I am using a solar oven to germinate plants in winter.

 

The 50 million per mile was spent on the rail INSTEAD (choosing to spend the 50 million per mile sum total on the high speed rail and not the other) of desalinization.

Why do liberals hate English?

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It's not common to see 'new' farms pop up so we know most farms have been around for generations. They are located where the land was/is affordable, where water was/is available, where weather suits the needs of the crops. I suppose the decision must be made whether or not the USA wishes to keep and expand farming, or, let it disappear in favor of imports? No matter how much water is used to farm, as long as Americans demand these crops, the water must then be available. Can the world exist without watermelons...sure it can. How about no almonds, or bell peppers, or wheat, or cotton. Gawd forbid no wine grapes! The emotional retreat from these foods is only a small part of the problem...the huge part is the negative economic impacts.

Population growth obviously cannot be sustained. It's only a matter of time that we suck the lifeblood out of Earth. We're already doing this in the aquifer that spans the center of the USA. CA is in big trouble. Drought in the midwest and southwest exacerbates this issue.

Desalination must be one obvious solution which can serve the entire world. Can we mess with the weather to force more rain and snow pack? Does creating 1000's more reservoirs do any good? Doubt we can reduce population growth and don't have much faith in people sustaining 25% and greater reductions in water use? Maybe a shortage of potable water on all planets, as they industrialize and populate, is the stigma to sustain civilizations for 1000's of years?

 

He said no such thing is the original post I quoted from him. And again, did you read the definition of "instead"? And can a state only spend money on one thing? Is a billion dollars not enough to spend on desalination?

Why do conservatives hate facts?

 

Let me explain what a use case of "instead" looks like.
You had 400 dollars. You spent 22 at kfc feeding your family. You spent 360 on an 8ball instead of clothes for your kids so they had to go to school in summer shoes and coats with holes in it. This does not suggest your family got no chicken.

See?

 

no, they are not; the US government is the largest purchase of drugs in the world. capitalism is Only useless to the right.

 

Sense this does not make.

Drugs R bad... mkay?

 

California only has so much money as it can't print more like the federal Government. Was some money allocated to a desalinization plant....YES. Was money allocated to 15 proposed desalinization plants.....NO. Was $50 Million a mile allocated to High Speed Rail.....Yes. Was the money allocated to High Speed rail used for desalinization plants? Well Leek......"Was the money allocated to High Speed rail used for desalinization plants"???? If not, it was used for "High Speed Rail _ _ _ _ _ _ _ of desalinization plants".....Want to buy a vowel?

 

Are you saying that Cali is running a water deficit? Lol. Deficits don't matter so we are told by the progressives

 

80% of CA's water is used for irrigation. CA has 17% of the nation's agricultural land, with its interior valleys being key.

Suggesting desalinization plants along with the pipelines and pumping of the amounts needed for irrigation to the agricultural centers is a scheme that could best be described as nutty.

My bet is the big decisions are going to relate to how to equitably limit water for agriculture.

The NYT has a story concerning a farmer who has high priority rights to water. The catch is, land is sinking due to deep pumping that others are doing around him (causing roads to buckle and bridges to crack). He says water is going to have to start flowing uphill for his water rights to be meaningful.

Perhaps desalinization can help some coastal cities, but that really isn't the serious issue.

 

no, they are not; the US government is the largest purchase of drugs in the world. capitalism is Only useless to the right.

 

Source?

 

A water deficit can't even describe it. No one can print more water, not even Obama.

 

Here you go:

Here is some more, but from a source that has a different agenda:

 

Actually the Central Valley is where most of California's agriculture is.. It is 40 to 60 miles wide and stretches approximately 450 miles



They are already pumping in fresh water from 100s of miles away as the local water in underground sources is too salty...it is cost effective desalination, mainly solar powered, that will be part of the solution to solving both the coastal urban water use shortage and the agricultural use.

California groundwater is being pumped out of aquifers at a rate far greater than the natural rate of replenishment...they will have no other choice than to pump it in regardless of whether the source is desalinated ocean water or fresh water from other sources...the ground table is being depleted faster than it can replenish; the current drought is speeding up the depletion rate.