Can anyone show a single piece of viable evidence a GOD exists?

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  1. godisnotreal

    godisnotreal Well-Known Member

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    every single thing that is manmade that you see in front of you right now in the room you are sitting in, is the product of the scientific method. That's what useful means.
     
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    godisnotreal Well-Known Member

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    free will is an illusion. we do not have free will. nobody does.
     
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    godisnotreal Well-Known Member

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    intelligence is not required for survival. Otherwise, all creatures of the earth would be intelligent. But very few are. That tells us that from an evolutionary standpoint, the smarter people aren't necessarily the ones who are more likely to survive. Other traits are far more important.
     
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    Is the tribesman living in the plains of Africa going to experience that experimental evidence or is that tribesman in Africa going to be the subject of such experiment and subsequently experience the experiment regardless of the potential ill effects that it might have upon his/her being? What is the experience "that only one person can experience"?

    Your analogy of the chair being in front of you does not in any way, shape or form define 'reality' or 'real'. You are presenting a hypothetical scenario "if a chair......" If only you can see the chair and you want others to believe you, then it would be better received if you also had an impeccable reputation of never exaggerating or never telling a lie or otherwise being deceitful. If on the other hand you tell that thing that you recognize as being a truth, and others choose not to believe you based on your beliefs, then get used to the idea of others not believing you... it does happen in that manner.
     
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    We were talking about 'objective reality',,, not man-made things nor the products of the scientific method. Can you at least quit mixing apples and radishes in the same pie? What is 'objective reality'? What is 'reality' and what is 'real'?
     
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    Even though that highlighted text above shows an appeal to probability, I like it anyway, as it shows that intellect is not a primary survival requirement. Thank you for that admission.
     
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    I would, easily :)

    A human adult is not worth much (practically speaking) if they cannot survive without the trappings of modern life. It's a terrible thing to think you depend utterly on a vast and complex network of artificial constructs just to stay alive.
     
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    I agree with you that we are all limited by our subjective experiences. But the assumption that we're all subjectively experiencing the same objective world has done far more to advance human understanding and knowledge than the assumption that there is a supernatural intelligence that created everything.
     
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    At the highlighted text: Are we experiencing the SAME objective world? (assuming there is an objective world) If we were, there would be no varying gradations in society. Has human understanding and knowledge advanced so far as to eradicate poverty, crime, disease, government corruption, greed, etc.? Advancements in technology, education, medicine and societal freedoms falls way short of demonstrating an understanding and or knowledge of the "objective world" when considering that not all people benefit from such "advancements".
    [h=2]"same[/h] adj.1. Being the very one; identical: the same boat we rented before.
    2. Similar in kind, quality, quantity, or degree: The ceremony went off with the same elegance that it has had every year.
    3. Conforming in every detail: according to the same rules as before."
     
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    Today, and 100's of years ago, religion was not discredited like it will be in 100 years from now. For example, people don't fully realize the Jesus/Mohammad/Moses all accepted slavery....they assume they were against it (well, many people do, at least.) Just one example.
     
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    I, too, could easily survive, as I'd just order on my smartphone stuff from Amazon (blankets, food, DVD's of Gilligan's Island, etc.) and their new drone delivery service would deliver it right to me...so what's the problem? :) :)
     
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    I can agree with you in regard to the "average person". A downfall of the transportation industry would certainly lead to the conditions you speak about that would require survival skills even in the coastal states of the southeast and the southwest and even the border states of Mexico. But a country boy will survive.
     
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    What does varying gradations in society have to do with objective reality? Are you saying that in order for money to be real, we all have to have the same amount? Last time I checked a dictionary, society and equality were abstract concepts.
     
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    Last time I checked, money was an abstract concept. Now let's see: What does the varying gradations in society have to do with "objective reality". Are you suggesting through your question that such gradations are not a part of "objective reality"? Are you suggesting through your question pertaining to equality and society that such things do not exist?
     
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    if they dont accept it now, what makes you think they'll accpet it in 100 years?
     
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    The internet, science, society grows over time, the doubling of "nones" (no religion) in the last 20 years, and most importantly: the truth.
     
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    I'll keep that in mind if I ever end up owing you money.

    You are the one suggesting that such gradations are evidence of a subjective world. Maybe you should explain what you mean. I'm sure any homeless person would consider the bill I give them just as objectively real as I do.
     
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    HEY!!!

    WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!!! LOL!!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Years ago I used to teach Inner City Youths how to swim and I taught them about edible plants, how to camp....how to trap and basic survival.

    I was very young at the time but my Grandfathers and Grandmothers and Mom and Dad had been teaching me such things since I learned to walk.

    I was BAFFLED when I realized that the vast majority of Inner City Kids could not even SWIM...much less have even the most basic survival skills.

    The first day I spent teaching the majority of them that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A HUMAN BEING TO SINK INTO THE WATER IF THEY SIMPLY TAKE IN A BREATH OF AIR!! LOL!!!

    I couldn't believe these kids as they were TERRIFIED OF THE WATER!!!

    Teaching them to FLOAT was a monumental achievement!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Now the big question is "who has the authority to make a determination of what factors are involved in the further determination of what is 'the average person'?" You, me, or someone else?
     
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    There is Obama for there is a god.
    Proof enough?
     
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    Still waiting AA... where is your response in the form of an intelligent answer to the question above?
     
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    Karma!

    If verifiable evidence for some sort of justice in the universe does exist……. then any sort of rhyme or reason to what appears to be the reincarnation cycle…… that implies that our souls are being taught empathy for others….. then that evidence would imply a higher power setting that type of justice in motion.

    Here is a two paragraph summary that does actually fit amazingly well with the Dr. Ian Stevenson research as well as the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research.

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html#a03
    3. Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons
     
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    Although I like where you are going with this as I am a firm believer in....WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND.....and I would just LOVE IT if such a thing as KARMA actually existed as a Natrural Law.....but the fact is KARMA is simply a reality based upon when a person does good things for others they usually have good things done for them by other people.

    This is the essence of KARMA....but unfortuantely it is not evidence of a GOD or NATURAL LAW...no matter how much I personally wish it was.

    Good Catch though!!

    AboveAlpha

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    I guess we could put a plus or minus on this one but the AVERAGE JOE....encompasses a vast percentage of the population....80%.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I actually did read both of Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s books back during the 1990's……. and I was not impressed…… just like another one of her male volunteers…. who saw himself as a woman in a past life…… I truly do fear being reincarnated as a woman!!!!

    I would kind of have loved to be able to write off her research…. but I got the impression that she had done an exceptionally good job of not leading her hypnotic regression volunteers….. For one thing the questions that she asked them were extremely simple……. such as… when they saw some sort of image of a past life… she asked them to visualize themselves eating a meal…… what are they eating….. what are they eating with? If it is the 1500 and they have silverware and plates….. then they would be in a higher class… if they are eating with their hands…. then they are probably from a poorer class of people.

    But the descriptions of women seeing themselves as men in past lives… and vice versa… those are scary.

    http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1165
    …….
     
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