Can DeSantis Sell His Authoritarianism to the Nation?

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  1. Izzy

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    I don’t think this is anything to worry about unless Trump goes to jail. Trump is the overwhelming choice to be the GOP nominee, he leads DeSantis by 35 points for the nomination. Trump is sitting pretty at 55%.


    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e..._republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html


    If I were a Democrat, I’d be more worried about Biden. He will be the democratic nominee, today he’s tied with Trump.


    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html


    There’s one huge disconnect when it comes to choosing nominees with all America vs. the Republican and Democratic Party’s choices. Which looks like another rematch of Biden vs. Trump. 55% of all Americans don’t want Biden to run again which includes 59% of independents. 54% don’t want Trump to run again with independents at 56%. Questions 21 and 22.


    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/1el6dff3an/econTabReport.pdf


    The last time we had two unwanted candidates running for the presidency was 2016. 2024 has all the feel of another 2016, not 2020. Remember, in 2020 Biden won independents 54-41 over Trump. Today, like the 2022 midterms, independents are splitting their vote evenly between the two, 41-41 with the rest either undecided or voting other which brings us into a 100% pure tossup election. ALA 2016. Those 7 plus million votes Biden won by in 2020 aren’t there today. They disappeared along with Biden’s 13-point margin he won independents by in 2020. Independents are giving Biden only a 32% job approval vs. 59% disapproval. What do you expect when both major parties insist on running two candidates most Americans don’t want to become their next president?
     
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    Not an idiot, he is a conniving corrupt politician, which is worse than an idiot. Trump is an idiot, which is something even his inner circle admitted.

    If I was a Dem, I'd worry about who they'll run, because I don't think Biden will run even though he said he would.

    Yes, that is sad indeed, but how can Trump be leading if that is true? I guess its because there is no one else who inspires them, and same is true with Dems.
     
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    Nope.
    He's an idiot for claiming Florida hasn't banned any books and throwing the "hoax" card.


    Nothing conniving about him on this one.

    "Among his claims was that there had been no “book bans” in Florida during his tenure—calling any report to the contrary an outright “hoax.” He then admitted that some books have in fact been removed from school libraries—but only ones that include “pornography” and critical race theory."
     
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    He is lying about it. That is not stupidity, but a calculated attempt to mislead people, which is why I used the words "corrupt" and "conniving". IMO that is worse than being stupid.
     
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    Why PF doesn't have a Twitter button up there ^^^^^^ is beyond my comprehension.
    Using the Twitter link on the bottom of the page you have to be registered there, a no-no for me.
    When I inquired to the mods I never got a response.
    So you can't view the video and seeing junior is so funny.


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    Junior goes on a rant that is supposed to be about Desantis, but he misreads his script: “Trump has the personality of a mortician, and the energy that makes Jeb Bush look an Olympian.”









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    Echo-Echo :roflol:


    'Ron DeSantis contends Casey DeSantis should be on ‘fashion magazine’ covers'

    'If she were a Democrat, she'd be on every fashion magazine.'

    cont:
    https://floridapolitics.com/archive...esantis-should-be-on-fashion-magazine-covers/


    'Trump complains that Melania has not featured on a single major magazine cover while First Lady - after Michelle Obama was a covergirl TWELVE times"
    • President Trump tweeted his anger on Friday that Melania has never appeared on a glossy magazine cover while First Lady, calling the publications 'fake news'
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    The Left seems to be complaining about DeSantis style "authoritarianism" but seems to be avoiding a look at the authoritarianism on their own side.
     
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    If you feel that the Democratic Party is abrogating reproductive rights, etc. and adopting other statist usurpations in contravention of the public will, you should identify what those policies are.

    DeSantis's dictating his ideology to educators, librarians, medical professionals, private enterprise, local communities, etc. is repugnant to proponents of liberty.
     
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    Can DeSantis Sell His Authoritarianism to the Nation?

    What authoritarianism? Laws passed by an elected legislature are the opposite of authoritarianism.
     
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    Nazi Germany's Reichstag comes to mind.
     
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    Ron is resisting this sort of thing (person with mustache wearing a dress and makeup greeting children, I'll repeat that, CHILDREN at a Disney Princess store). Shouldn't he? Who protects the children?
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    Florida hasn't banned any books. It has removed some from libraries in elementary schools.
     
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    Grant Stern
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    Joe Carollo behaves like his name is Fidel Castro and went on a rampage against businessmen that led to a massive jury verdict. Ron DeSantis just got sued for the same offense by Disney.
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    Just got this via text, posted at the Tower Theater in Little Havana. (Carollo shuttered the historic theater for truly no compelling reason at all. So now it's just sitting there.)


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    Pop quiz: which one was actually part of the topic? Don't worry. No one believes you'll answer.
     
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    People vote with their feet and tens of thousands have been moving from blue state dysfunctional hell-holes to Florida for the state's good life due to good governence, the exact opposite of authoritarianism.
     
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    No books have been banned in Florida. Some that are inappropriate for children have been removed from school libraries. They are readily available elsewhere, hence no banning.
     
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    At this time vast majority of it is coming from the populist side, which it why they are being called out for it.
     
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    If the librarian can't put these "removed" books back in the school library then these books are in the banned book category,.

    "Among his claims was that there had been no “book bans” in Florida during his tenure—calling any report to the contrary an outright “hoax.” He then admitted that some books have in fact been removed from school libraries—but only ones that include “pornography” and critical race theory.'
     
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    I can't take anyone seriously who says undocumented workers and follows it up with law abiding citizens. Neither citizens nor law abiding but nice try.
     
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    Good for them.
    Here comes Little Musso's threats.


    'College Board says it won't alter AP courses to comply with Florida's laws'


    'The College Board released a letter Thursday putting its foot down on further demands from Florida to change any of its Advanced Placement (AP) classes, the latest development in the ongoing feud between the company and the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis (R).

    “[College Board] will not modify our courses to accommodate restrictions on teaching essential, college-level topics,” the company told the Florida Department of Education Office of Articulation.

    “Doing so would break the fundamental promise of AP: colleges wouldn’t broadly accept that course for credit and that course wouldn’t prepare students for careers in the discipline,” it added.

    The College Board says the Florida office recently asked it to modify any courses that conflict with the new Florida rule restricting teaching on sexual orientation and gender identity in the classroom through 12th grade.'

    In a May 19 letter to College Board, Florida demanded the company do an audit of its courses and relay which ones would need to be modified to comply with the new rule by June 16.

    "We have learned from our mistakes in the recent rollout of AP African American Studies and know that we must be clear from the outset where we stand,” the College Board said.'

    https://thehill.com/homenews/educat...lter-ap-courses-to-comply-with-floridas-laws/
     
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    No one has proved he is and you cannot prove a negative.
     
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    Rumor is that Mar a Lago had lotsa boxes just laying around.
    Who knows when/if Trump started bringing classified docs there before he left office?
    The Summer White House was used to entertain foreign leaders and dignitaries etc.throughout his 4 years.


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    No. They aren't banned. They are available to adults all over the place. They simply aren't on the shelves in schools. Neither are texts on how to manufacture and use explosives. They aren't appropriate for children. No need to argue semantics with me. It never works.
     
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    They are banned from public school libraries/classrooms.
    Try as you might but this has **** to do with where any of these banned books are available elsewhere.
     

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