Can Harris win the Democratic nomination?

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  1. Overitall

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    I don't think that ever happened where a current VP ran against the current POTUS. Doing so might be grounds for immediate removal from the VP spot.
     
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    Let us hope not. She wouldn't be an improvement over Biden and there's no way she beats Trump or DeSantis. And lets face it, she's pretty terrible.
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    If Biden decides not to run in 2024, Harris will be a contender, but will have to compete in the primary like everyone else. Usually being a VP would make you an automatic front runner but she's been so terrible in the easiest job in the world she'll have to fight for it.
     
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    The DNC nomination is rigged, so of course she can win. Were it unrigged, Bernie would have won it both times.
     
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    Whether or not Hillary ever fantasizes about getting another shot, I don't think matters, as I just don't see that happening. I am sure your assumption that everyone who voted for her in the past, would do so again, 8 years later (and with Clinton 8 years older), in the Democratic Primary, is a false belief. Let's say that someone you had supported for President, but who'd lost-- we'll use Romney, just for demonstration's sake -- had run once more for the Repub nomination, in 2016. Let's also pretend, even if it's not true, that you had been a big Trump fan. Is it inconceivable to you, that someone who'd voted for Romney, might prefer Trump, in a later Primary?

    The big thing running in Clinton's favor, then, was that there weren't a lot of other women like Liz Warren, Amy Klobuchar, and others, at that time, who obviously had her qualifications. Even in this short time, that has changed, fairly significantly.

    On top of that, she had underperformed. That she is not a great candidate, and stirs up the other side to vote against her, would now have to be added into one's equation. And if it was possible that she might be facing, once again, the very person who had defeated her? NO WAY.
    There are other females who would absolutely be part of the Dem Primary mix, if Biden were not running.

     
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    Biden has to say he’s running again to avoid being a lame duck.
     
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    That laugh of hers all but screams get me the hell out of here. I've never seen anyone look so out of place and simultaneous so uncomfortable in DC. I suspect given her druthers, she would prefer to go back to CA and disappear into the woodwork.
     
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    Harri couldn't even get out of the starting gate in the last presidential primaries.
     
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    Biden might be old but he isn't too old to hang around his delaware home 99% of the time for another 4 years. I am pretty sure he can handle it. Also even if he doesn't run, Harris's chances are high. She isn't white and is also female. Her IQ of 0.00000000001 means nothing to the hive minded democrat drones
     
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    Qq

    True, but let's remember that Biden didn't win in 1988 or 2008 either, when he previously ran.

    Somehow he caught fire in 2020. Or maybe he was just the least bad alternative.
     
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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...us/general_election_trump_vs_harris-7386.html

    Your claim that she would "definitely" beat Trump is demonstrably false. She is by far the weakest potential candidate in the Democratic camp. It's not even close.
     
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    She can always play the "wace" [sic] card and tell the story about how as a little kid she wanted "fweedom!" [sic], even though her ancestors had been freed "fwom slavewy" [sic] [sic] 100 years previously.
     
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    I think she's lost the opportunity to play the race card. That's easy to play when you are a national unknown, then you can slide on your identity (at least in Democratic politics). The problem is that she now has a nationally known track record and it's terrible. She actually has the same problem as Pete Buttigieg, who ran in the Democratic primaries on the platform of being gay, however as Transportation Secretary, he's been lazy and...terrible.

    Harris's only hope is if she can form a Black Church Lady firewall in South Carolina who might be talked into the only reason Harris isn't the de facto nominee is because she's black. At least if I were running Harris' campaign, that's what I would go for.
     
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    I am wondering whether she is fake, which is bad, or really believes her own b.s., which is even worse.
     
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    If Biden decides not to run, I’m sure the Democrats won’t nominate Harris. The one thing to keep in mind is Republicans vote for Republicans and Democrats for Democrats, they don’t vote for the other party’s candidates regardless of who the candidates are. Democrats won’t vote for Trump and Republicans aren’t voting for Harris. Pure and simple. It’s independents that swing back and forth, independents decide winners and losers, not either party’s faithful.


    Independents dislike both Trump and Harris. I’d expect a lot of independents would stay home for that matchup and many voting third party against both Harris and Trump ALA like in 2016 when 12% or around 7 million independents voted third party.


    I expect the Democrats to come up with a new, fresh, young face to oppose most likely DeSantis. Not Trump. I believe Trump would lose to any other Democrat other than Harris and Harris would lose to any Republican other than Trump. Trump vs. Harris, I’d be voting third party again against both just like I did in 2016. I wouldn’t vote for neither one, I didn’t care who won between Hillary Clinton and Trump and I wouldn’t give a coyote’s howl who won between Harris and Trump. Let others be responsible for whoever won if those two faced off. I’d keep my hands clean.
     
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