Can Iran trust America?

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Can Iran trust America?

  1. Yes

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    20.4%
  2. No

    26 vote(s)
    53.1%
  3. yes, but carefully

    6 vote(s)
    12.2%
  4. Maybe, but America may go back on it.

    7 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Yeah...like IMPOSING Democracy so that a few can't force their ideology upon others.

    Like IMPOSING the right of self determination and freewill?

    Like IMPOSING the RULES AND RESPOSIBILITIES Iran has shirked after signing the NPT?

    The NPT is what all of this is about.

    A Nation signs the NPT and is allowed to purchase Nuclear Reactos and Nuclear Technology like Iran was allowed to do.

    Iran had absolutely no ability to develop such Nuclear Technology on their own.

    And Iran has broken just about every single IAEA RULE specific to the NPT save one....building Nuclear Weapons....which Iran can easily do as they have enough weapons grade Uranium to assemble one or two circa 1945 U.S. Military Gun Barrel Design Fission Bombs.

    THAT...is something the United States will not allow.

    Because to do nothing would be worse than Invading Iran.

    Hopefully Iran will come to it's senses...but if not...if Iran uses this new agreement with the U.S. to buy itself more time to generate more Weapons Grade Uranium and then IF Iran was so stupid as to assemble these Fission Bombs and announce to the WORLD THAT IRAN POSSESSES NUCLEAR WEAPONS....the U.S. Military would IMMEDIATELY ATTACK IRAN and seize all Iranian Nuclear Sites.

    It is imparative that some people in Iran inform their Religious Leadership that a few Fission Bombs is not going to stop the U.S. Military from Invading Iran if they do not HONOR THEIR AGREEMENTS!!!

    For some reason the Old Iranian Religious Guard thinks that if they develop Nuclear Weapons that that will be enough to stop any U.S. Military Invasion.....they are very wrong.

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  2. Gizmo

    Gizmo New Member

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    What's your point? And did you ever consider WHY the events at the embassy occured in '79? Can you tell me the last time Iran overthrew the USA's democratically elected government?
     
  3. Albert Di Salvo

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    Asylum for the head of the Pahlavi clan was the stated reason for seizure of the American embassy. However, in reality the seizure of the American embassy in Tehran was part of an internal Iranian power struggle. The fact remains, we know the Iranians are willing to violate international law when they want.

    What's the statute of limitations on the overthrow of the Mossadeq regime? In answer to your question, the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 was largely a reaction to the Iranian seizure of the US embassy and the prolonged crisis it engendered. The election of Ronald Reagan changed the course of American history. The Iranians have thus had an important impact on America.
     
  4. AboveAlpha

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    The United States in it's attempt to prevent WWIII made the mistake of not paying enough attention to the brutality of the Shah. Had we not made this mistake it is highly unlikely the Iranian Islamic Revolution would have happened.

    But regardless of any past U.S. mistakes....what is going on right now as far as Iran breaking just about every rule under the NPT which Iran signed in order to purchase Nuclear Reactors and Nuclear Tech. as well as purchase Reactor Grade Uranium....cannot be allowed to stand.

    Making certain that the NPT is not violated to any extent where a Nation that has absolutely no ability to develop Nuclear Technology on their own signs the NPT and then ends up making Nuclear Weapons...is the single most important issue the world is facing.

    The United States will do whatever is necessary including Military Action...to preserve the NPT.

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  5. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If another Bush gets elected, watch out. Ask Noriega about these slime bags. The old man (Bush 41) duped Sadaam into going into Kuiwait, pretending to be an ally then started the path to the destruction of that whole country. The Bush's are snakes in the grass who can not be trusted by anyone. Clinton's and the Bush's are best of friends so kankles Clinton would be a bad bet too.
     
  6. AboveAlpha

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    We desperately need a MODERATE PRESIDENT!!!

    A President who will spend time working with Congress to solve big issues not wasting time on firepoint issues.

    I don't see anyone out there now who is worthy of the Office.

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  7. Gizmo

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    And we also know the USA violates international law more flagrantly and often than any other country in the world. And statute of limitations how arrogant is it possible to be? Their country has had one democratically elected government in history, which they fought hundreds of years to achieve, your country illegally and violently overthrew it in order to steal their oil reserves, installed a puppet dictator and trained and funded his brutal secret police, leading to 26 years of brutal repressive rule. You then gave their despotic leader sanctuary when he himself was overthrow too btw. There's no statute of limitations to that, and it hardly compares to electing Regan what an idiotic thing to say.
     
  8. Albert Di Salvo

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    You're saying that a period of conflict stays frozen in time forever. But that's not how reality works. As evidence I point to the case of Vietnam which fought a bitter war against the US. Now Vietnam and America are trading partners, and have a de facto alliance against China because changing circumstances forces adaptation to them.
     
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    Iran should trust America.
     
  10. AboveAlpha

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    The over 70% of the Iranian population that is 30 years old and younger does.

    The Iranian Religious Theocracy is too busy painting Death to America and Great Satan signs.

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  11. Indofred

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    “the worst deal ever negotiated” and a “disaster.”, says a twit.

    Perhaps it's time for Iran to get worried again.
     
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    I think the U.S. should send Iran a nuke and save them the trouble.:roflol:
     
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    the Iran deal was never a treaty, Obama bypassed congress and thus made it an agreement between him and Iran. when Obama did this instead of the constitutional way of having the senate approve it as a treaty, he left it for any future president to either ignore it or back out of the agreement. All it takes is for Trump to say he will not recognize the agreement made between Obama and Iran. It wasn't an agreement between the United States and Iran, congress or the senate never ratified it.

    The Iran deal is, was much like Nixon's executive deal with Theiu of South Vietnam that the United States would come to the aid of South Vietnam if the North Vietnamese broke the Paris Peace Pact. Only Obama is bound by the deal, no other future president. This is what happens when a president on purpose by passes congress and the constitutional authority congress has over such deals and agreements.
     
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    During the Iraq-Iran war, the U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian civilian airplane over Iranian airspace, killing 290 passengers and crew members. The captain of the USS Vincennes said his ship was being attacked by gunboats at the time, and the Airbus A300 was misidentified as an attacking F-14 Tomcat. Iran countered that the civilian flight left Iran every day at the same time. Witnesses with Italy’s navy and on a nearby U.S. warship said the airliner was climbing, not diving (as a plane would for an attack), when it was shot down.
     
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    Old news.

    Perhaps if Iranian Gunboats were not attacking our Navy Ships it might never have happened.

    AA
     
  17. Oxymoron

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    They should worry ever since they took our citizen hostages, they are lucky we have not turned them into fertilizer yet.
     
  18. AboveAlpha

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    I remember how P!$$ED OFF the American Public was when they took the hostages especially since the supposed STUDENTS were really working under the orders of the Iranian Theocracy.

    Jimmy Carter should have told them they had 48 hours to give us back our people or we would have invaded.

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    Invaded? That is 19th century, we should have given them 48 hours or we glass Tehran.
     
  20. AboveAlpha

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    LOL!!

    Well that might be a little extreme but I appreciate the sentiment.

    LOL!!

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  21. Gatewood

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    I hope to God that they can't. Hopefully Trump will drop drawers as president and crap all over the piece of garbage that Obama, Hillary, and Kerry crafted as a nuclear agreement, and then shove the reeking mess in Iran's face.
     
  22. AboveAlpha

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    Iran is a problem that may solve itself in about 7 years.

    As I have posted many times over 70% of the Iranian Population is 30 years old and under and the old Religious Guard is DYING OUT!!

    The young Iranian's want freedom and democracy BADLY and it is only a matter of time before they finally get control of Iran.

    At that point Iran very well might become a very close U.S. Ally!!

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  23. Indofred

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    You removed their democratically elected government in favour of your pet dictator - I can see their point.
     
  24. Indofred

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    Iran has no nuclear weapons and has no hope of getting any for a very long time.
    The US of Arse have a long record of massive terrorism, starting wars and generally interfering in other countries, usually causing a lot of death and misery when it does.
    I wonder who the aggressor is.
     
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    Of course they can. Don't you think Iran understands the situation?
     

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