Can Iran trust America?

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Can Iran trust America?

  1. Yes

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    20.4%
  2. No

    26 vote(s)
    53.1%
  3. yes, but carefully

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    12.2%
  4. Maybe, but America may go back on it.

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    14.3%
  1. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    They are a nothing fiefdom we are a Hyperpower.
     
  2. Indofred

    Indofred Banned at Members Request

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    Ah, the words of a bully.
    Just because you have the power to make things go your way, doesn't mean your way is the right way.
     
  3. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Might is always Right.
     
  4. BoDiddly

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    No state can fully trust another state. It is impossible to know for sure another states intentions.
     
  5. AlpinLuke

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    Sure America cannot trust Iran ...

    This said, Iran had not to trust Obama's America [and even more an eventual Clinton's America]. For Tehran it will be easy to trust Trump: if the new President will say that he will be going to nuke Iran ... at Tehran they will have to trust him!!!

    On the other hand, if President Trump will say that he won't nuke Iran ... it will the reality.

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    Yes, you're right, actually the best international relationships are based on mistrust, not on trust. In fact I guess that after Brexit the relations between UK and continental Europe will improve ...
     
  6. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trust America? Which means, trusting our politicians? Sure, you can trust these men except in two rather insignificant areas....words and deeds.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    Yeah...that's the name Putin has been using and so are the Chinese.

    Hyperpower.....sounds apt.

    AA
     
  8. AboveAlpha

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    Well.....we are not perfect but for certain if the United States did not exists then a whole lot of people around the world would not be alive.

    The U.N. Committee on Poverty and Famine has detailed out that the United States all on it's own prevents over 1 Billion People a Year from STARVING from our USAID Food Donations.

    The U.N. Committee specific to Infectious Diseases and Animal to Human Disease and Parasite Transmission also states that over 800 Million People a year in the world would DIE if it were not for U.S. Medical Aid as well as AID in the form of fresh water filtration and methodology and even something as simple as all the Mosquito Nets we donate to 3rd world nations that prevent deaths via Malaria...etc.

    No other nation can boast that they do anywhere NEAR what the United States does every year to save these people from a sure death!


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  9. APACHERAT

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    The Hanoi government in North Vietnam also was aware the promise Nixon made to the Theiu government in Saigon.

    But on Dec. 26th 1974 President Richard M. Nixon was forced to resign. The "New Left" formerly the radical left of the counter culture movement and today known as the Democrat establishment were informed by President Ford about the secret agreement. The left's response was to cut off military aid to ARVAN and to pass a resolution from preventing the U.S. military to bomb Vietnam if North Vietnam violated the Paris peace agreement.

    President Ford warned the left what would happen and the left would have a lot of blood on their hands.


    January 6th, 1975 the 6th NVA Div. moves on too Dong Xoai ready to retreat back to their sanctuaries if America responded with bombing North Vietnam...nothing happened.

    A month later on March 1st the NVA take Phuoc Long city and the surrounding province while North Vietnamese in Hanoi waited in bomb shelters wondering if America would bomb Hanoi with B-52's for violating the peace agreement... nothing happened.

    This was the invitation that Hanoi was waiting for, the liberals were in charge in Congress back in America and a full scale invasion of South Vietnam was launched... and America did nothing.

    Two months later Saigon fell but that wasn't the end of it. There were two more dominoes to fall, Laos and Cambodia and the genocide of Pol Pot... What did America do ? Nothing.

    Liberals were extremely silent on what was taking place. 1.5 million Cambodians murdered. Two million South Vietnamese refuges and the "boat people" who were raped and murdered by pirates and the hundreds of thousands who perished at sea.

    Then the victorious communist North Vietnamese rounded up 1 to 2.5 million South Vietnamese and sent them to labor prisons which commies always referred to as reeducation camps. Another 165,000 would die in captivity.


    Boy, that was another fine mess JFK, LBJ and the Democrats got us involved in.

    All JFK had to do was to listen to President Eisenhower's warnings, don't get involved with the corrupt Diem regime in Saigon and don't try to stop communist expansion at the 17th parallel.
     
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    I lost quite a few of my relatives in Nam and what happened there was CRIMINAL as far as our Leadership micromanaging the war!!

    The North had hundreds of Russian delivers SAM's just sitting right out in the open in Hanoi but because LBJ would not allow our Military to bomb Hanoi so many American fliers died.

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  11. APACHERAT

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    I concur.

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    First of all, we should have never been in the RVN. President Eisenhower studied the French defeat in Indochina and being a five star general knew something about war. When JFK became POTUS Eisenhower warned JFK not to get involved with the Diem regime, it was to corrupt. Don't make a stand at the 17th parallel to stop communist expansion in Southeast Asia. Laos is where the stand has to be made. Prevent access to the Ho Chi Minh trails and roads the North can't supply the NLF (Viet Minh / VC ) in the south.

    The only way a conventional war could be won in South Vietnam was total war. That means the American people would have to be united in the cause and the entire Southeast Asia would have to be one big freaking free fire zone like how WW ll was fought.

    But JFK thought he was smarter than his elders and instead listened to his Harvard buddies known as the "Young and Brightest" who ended up not being so bright.

    JFK being a liberal went with regime change in South Vietnam and signed off on the CIA backed military coups to remove Diem from power. Unfortunately Diem was murdered and from that day on America owned South Vietnam. Two weeks later JFK would meet the same fate as Diem in Dallas, Texas.

    The world watched, what would America do ? If America pulled out of South Vietnam, SEATO would collapse and NATO would likely follow suit.

    The Vietnam War could have been won and brought to an end three different times.

    #1. in 1965 if LBJ hadn't micromanaged the war and his insane ROE over North Vietnam.

    #2, In 1968 after the VC and NVA were defeated big time during the 68 Tet Offensive, Gen. Giep and Uncle Ho were seriously considering to throw the towel in and sue for a conditional surrender. Gen. Giep acknowledge that the American soldier couldn't be defeated on the battlefield.

    But something happened, Walter Cronkite went on television and lied to the American people about Tet. This is when North Vietnam changed their tactics and said they could still win the war on the streets of America with the help of the counter culture movement.

    #3. In 1969 but Nixon had inherited LBJ's policies and the phony peace talks.

     
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    Yeah it was one big cluster F@#K!!

    I lost a young cousin over there and others.

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  13. Margot2

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    Americans aren't as stupid as you think.

    She lived in Iran until she was five.. LOLOL Iran always had a big expat community.
     
  14. AboveAlpha

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    If I was a woman I certainly would NOT want to live in Iran!! LOL!!

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    It was quite a nice life in the 1950s and 1960s.. My mother used to fly to Tehran for international bridge tournaments every year. Jarrett was born in 1956 and left in 1960.
     
  16. perotista

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    IKE was old school in the fact he learned from Korea, never get involved in a land war in Asia. IKE kept us out of a land war there on two separate occasions. Although during his eight years he increased our adivisors from 120 to 800. IKE also told JFK that Laos was the key to Southeast Asia, not Vietnam.

    JFK complained on several occasions that IKE had briefed him on Laos, but not Vietnam. I personally think IKE would have let Diem and South Vietnam fall to the commies but would have defended Laos. That comes from reading several bio's on IKE, one of them was Eisenhower and Southeast Asia.
     
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    I would be extremely worried if I were the Iranian leadership. There's a new sheriff in town guys!
     
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    When was the last time you've been to California ?
     
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    America's trustworthiness in the Middle East only extends to the end of the current President's term. That is how it has always been, and that's how it will always be. Will Obama honor the deal's terms? Yes. Will Drumph? LMMFAO...
     
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    No.

    The US will eventually force regime change in Iran within the next 10 years.
     
  21. AboveAlpha

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    They used to say that the only place where skirts were shorter than in New York was in Tehran!! LOL!!!


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  22. Indofred

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    The US has a history of such illegal behaviour in Iran.
     
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    Let me tell you there are a LOT of people in Iran right now that would just LOVE to see the U.S. help remove the Iranian Regime!!

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  24. Indofred

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    Since you caused the problems that led to that lot gaining power when you removed the elected government in favour of your puppet mass murdering dictator, I'm unsure your claim is accurate.
     
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    There are probably a lot of Americans who would like to see a Cuban, Iranian, or anyone else help remove the Trump regime!

    But is that the way it's supposed to work? Shouldn't people be allowed to sort out their own regimes?
     

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