Can Iran trust America?

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Can Iran trust America?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    26 vote(s)
    53.1%
  3. yes, but carefully

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    12.2%
  4. Maybe, but America may go back on it.

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  1. Johnny Brady

    Johnny Brady New Member

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    I'm still trying to work out why Obama gave Iran permission to build nuke plants and a big cash handout too.
    Was he just plain nuts or was he trying to keep the regime sweet or what?
    Israel certainly didn't like the deal, Netanyahu said America has put Iran "on a sure path to nuclear weapons"

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  2. Battle3

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    They do not care. The rulers of Iran have no intention of keeping their word, and they have been getting everything they want at no cost to themselves. They have no need to trust America.
     
  3. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    You are confused. Mossadegh is the one who dissolved the democratically elected government and the Shah was installed by Britain and Russia.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Can Iran trust America?

    Yes, to be their worst nightmare.
     
  5. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    General "mad Dog" Mattis is the new Secretary of defense. Its been reported that Obama let him go because he was so vehemently opposed to the Iran deal. Yep, the Mullahs nightmare. We should hold a "Death to Iran" rally.
     
  6. Tommy Palven

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  7. Johnny Brady

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    Yes, overall commander Gen. William Westmoreland said afterwards in his foreword to a Vietnam War book-
    "Washington locked me into a defensive strategy, thereby preventing me from bringing the war to a swift conclusion"
    The wimpy politicos disregarded this prime rule of warfare-"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it"- Gen. Douglas MacArthur

    Once mushbrained politicos start interfering in any wars anywhere, victory goes up the spout, for example-
    "Our aim in Afghanistan is not to defeat the Taliban but to contain them and prevent them spreading their influence in the region"- Pres Barack Obama
    And it's the servicemen who pay the price-

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  8. Mircea

    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    What kind of revisionist history nonsense is that?

    Russia had nothing to do with anything.
     
  9. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not seeing anything there that contradicts my statement. As far as the shah being "installed "

    Later that year British and Soviet forces occupied Iran in a military invasion, forcing Reza Shah to abdicate.[10] Mohammad Reza replaced him on the throne on 16 September 1941.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#Early_reign

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    Your complete ignorance on the subject is showing,

    Later that year British and Soviet forces occupied Iran in a military invasion, forcing Reza Shah to abdicate.[10] Mohammad Reza replaced him on the throne on 16 September 1941.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#Early_reign
     
  10. Tommy Palven

    Tommy Palven Active Member Past Donor

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    Are we agreed that Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was the only democratically-elected Muslim leader in the Mid-East in 1953 when the CIA and British MI6 overthrew him?
     
  11. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please provide a source for your assertion that:
    My understanding is that he SUSPENDED a parliamentary vote due to Colonial (British / American) meddling, not "dissolved the democratically elected government" and that it was Britain & the U.S. C.I.A. who installed the brutal Shah


    “Mohammad Mosaddegh”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh

    EXCERPT “ Thus, in his statement asserting electoral manipulation by "foreign agents", Mosaddegh suspended the elections. His National Front party had made up 30 of the 79 deputies elected. Yet none of those present vetoed the statement, and the elections were postponed indefinitely. The 17th Majlis convened on February 1952.” CONTINUED

    You may be getting your information from Amir Taheri:

    “Myths of Mossadegh” by Amir Taheri
    https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/302213/myths-mossadegh


    If so, I hope you'll note the following:


    “Taheri, Amir”
    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/taheri_amir/

    EXCERPT “Taheri’s work on Iran is perhaps best known for its history of misrepresentations and outright fabrications. “Amir Taheri is one of the strangest ingredients in America's media soup,” wrote Jonathan Schwarz for Mother Jones. “There may not be anyone else who simply makes things up as regularly as he does, with so few consequences.”[7]

    Taheri’s columns typically cover issues in the Middle East from a rightist and interventionist viewpoint. Taheri has been adamant, for example, that the United States and Europe should intervene in Syria’s civil war.” CONTINUED


    At any rate, the Iranians have absolutely no reason to to trust the US as long as Zionist lobbies dictate America's Mid East Foreign Policy.

    Additionally, I can think of few other countries with greater justification for building a deterrent nuclear arsenal than Iran given the history of Colonial / Zionist threats it faces from Right Wing Extremists currently running Israel & soon to run the US government:


    “US Politicians’ Racist Anti-Iranian Remarks Don’t Make Headlines”
    http://fair.org/home/us-politicians-racist-anti-iranian-remarks-dont-make-headlines/



    “Iran Urges UN To Condemn Israel For Nuclear Threats “
    http://yournewswire.com/iran-urges-un-to-condemn-israel-for-nuclear-threats/#sthash.Ood9Neoh.dpuf
     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    I was there.

    We had a good plan and it worked as the plan was to use a very small number of U.S. Special Forces...Special Teams and CIA Teams to direct air strikes against the enemy and in just the first week of the war 196 of us directed and lased targets that resulted in the killing of TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THE ENEMY!!

    Then.....the ass hats in DC decided to go Nation Building and THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN!!

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  13. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In that case, Alpha, you should find a way of telling those ass hats they're making their military the laughing stock of the entire world.
     
  14. Johnny Brady

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    No doubt President Trump will know how to fight wars properly if and when he has to, because his quotes show he's a natural-born winner and hates to lose..:)
    "If I'm president, we will win on everything we do"
    "I will tell you that the problem our country has is that our leaders are so weak"
    "We are going to start winning again."
    http://www.azquotes.com/author/14823-Donald_Trump/tag/winning


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  15. AboveAlpha

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    Cerby the U.S. Military believe me is NOT something any nation laughs at.

    You just watch the faces of any leader or people of any nation where the U.S. Navy Carrier Strike Group pull up off shore to or ask the North Korean's if they are laughing when we decide to fly a few B-2 Spirit Stealth Bombers over South Korea or ask the Chinese if they are laughing or find it funny when they think about how every single Chinese PLN Ship would be blown out of the water by the U.S. Navy and U.S. Navy Subs such as a Virginia Class or Los Angeles Class or even SEAWOLF SUBMARINE......see if they are laughing when they think about how every single Chinese Ship, Sub, Coastal Installation, Troop Carrier, Aircraft...etc.....would be destroyed if they came too close to Taiwan??

    Ask the Russian's if they are laughing about how the U.S. is right now deploying a GLOBAL MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM???

    Ask them!!!

    You will find NO ONE IS LAUGHING.....except US!!

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  16. Tommy Palven

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    The Chinese could be laughing if they didn't hold so much US debt.

    US warhawks laughed as Reagan's military build-up caused the Russians to spend their way into near bankruptcy trying to keep up.

    By the same token if the Chinese didn't hold so much US debt they could be laughing as the US spends it's way into worsening economic stagnation.
     
  17. AboveAlpha

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    The Chinese Economy is highly dependent upon Chinese Goods exported to the U.S.

    If we decided to refuse any and all Chinese exports into the U.S. the Chinese Economy would fail in a WEEK!

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  18. cerberus

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    Sorry mate, and I entirely agree with you - indeed I've always admired the lower echelons of the US military: it's the antics of your Pentagon hierarchy, the bumbling DC politicians, and their incompetent strategists and advisors whom they laugh at.
     
  19. AboveAlpha

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    Since it has been my JOB I will explain this to you.

    The U.S. Military has Networked Quantum Supercomputers running 24/7 365 days a year and the systems are fed an incredible amount of real time data that is garnished by an unparalleled in world system of intelligence collecting such as the NSA's ability to intercept and capture every single bit of electronic communication occurring on above or below Earth or it's Oceans and along with our Satellite garnished intel as well as Recon Aircraft and Human assets all this data is crunched and a variety of contingency plans are developed for every possible scenario and as long as those plans are used to the letter victory is assured.....BUT......

    BUT.......every now and then we have a few ass hats who think they know better.

    THAT is when things get F@#KED UP!!

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    'every now and then'? They F@#K UP all the time! But as Don is going to drain the swamp perhaps their days are numbered. We can but hope!
     
  21. AboveAlpha

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    I will tell you what it is going to be fun watching them RUN FOR COVER!! lol!!

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  22. Tommy Palven

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    The Chinese produce a lot of stuff that they sell all over the world.

    What, pray tell, would happen to the US economy if Walmart and every other major US consumer outlet had nothing to sell?

    Are consumers going to buy littoral combat ships?
    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/02/officials-littoral-combat-ship-project-broke-the-navy/
     
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    Since America, or at least its foolish president elect, is the one threatening to break its word, I think you have that the wrong way round.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup
     
  25. Mandelus

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    Who are these other players?

    Looking on facts we have the clear pre-election statement of Trump that he will cancel the Oran Deal done by Obama and further ... his team includes now persons who planned to come over with the current Iran government like this Ex-General.
     

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