Can Muslims Ever Be Trusted ? (asked of non-Muslims)

Off Topic.

 

OFF TOPIC. If you want to blab about Christians, click the New Thread button and start your own thread. As for this thread - GET LOST !

 

I'm not concerned with comparative religion, nor is it the subject of this thread, or any other thread I've posted in. As for the Quiz (which you have a standing zero in) you are obviously not qualified to pass judgement about it, and for you to attempt to do so, is just more of a revelation from you as to your inadequacy as a poster in this forum, as well as a deceitful and foolish one.
Look before you leap, MS QUIZ ZERO.

 

I noticed that you always try that "270 million killed by Jihad" nonsense you read from that anti-Islamic website (of course...)...

But, doing my research I came up with these two websites:

http://ed4444.tumblr.com/post/9078777434/the-lie-that-muslims-have-killed-270-million

And

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...g_Pamela_Geller-_270_million_victims_of_Islam

Note that the first website is not most likely not a Muslim, and the second one is an Atheist.

Salam

 

The Quiz isn't the subject of the thread either yet you keep bringing it up. Besides what's the point of asking a question if you aren't prepared to hear the answer you don't like?

People trust Muslims as much as they trust Christians, Jews, Atheists or anybody else. You need to be really narrow-minded to judge something like trust on a persons religion - well you need to be really narrow-minded to judge a person on their religion in general - but for something like trust that's just sad....

To top it off... You're arguments have no proof, no sources, no nothing. But then YOU try and demand other people who don't agree with your views to put sources supporting their views... Does it get any more hypocritical than that?

And what's the point of discussing something like religion without comparing it to other religions especially when they are linked (Islam, Christianity and Judaism all being Abrahimic Religions)??

Salam

 

rich coming from you.

how many muslim countries have you been to?

how many muslims do you know?

what countries are they from?

have you talked to them about what they believe?

 

Huh? So let's see if I understand this...

When Muslims attack each other they are no longer real Muslims, BUT when they attack non-Muslims they become true Muslims again?

And if most Muslims are "Muslims by name" (says... You?) then that changes the whole question of this thread. Unless these "Muslim by name" people are still considered Muslims?

How is it the fault of the Quran if the same Muslims who kill each other are killing non-Muslims too?

I am a Muslim and violence is not my way of life.

And the main population of Muslims today come for all over the world but none of us were around 1400 years ago to get into the tradition of violence. And 1400 years ago that was vital to Islam's survival to fight. THAT was Jihad (Struggle), not what the Taliban and al-Qaida claim they are doing today...

It seems you think every Muslim is an Arab... Lol

These sects are jokes... Eon't even get me started...

Absolutely pathetic that there is division in Islam because people think they are right and only they can be right... Doesn't matter if your Sunni or Shia if you follow the 5 Pillars of Islam - which don't mention anything about the main reason the sects exist: Abu Bakr VS Ali - you are a MUSLIM.

Oh, and I'm Sunni but have no problem with Shia Muslims and vice-versa...

So you would rather learn about fairy tales than actual facts? Interesting...

Salam

 

no it is not.

you claim that christians don't fight with each other.

you are wrong.

 

true.

you aren't concerned with comparative religion.

you just want to demonise people because of the culture and beleifs they have grown up with.

your quiz is irrelevant.

it is designed by the ignorant, for the ignorant, to encourage them to hate muslims.

 

lols - well if you ask projectionist, that means you are

a. a self hating muslim

b. not a real muslim.

c. lying to us.

d. kidding youself.

e. all of the above



and yes .... telling him you are a non vioent muslim is like telling him there is no santa claus.

 

12.7 Million huh ? HA HA HA. Not a very reliable website ( a laughable one). At least the other website was smart enough to not try to pass off some absurd number as the truth. Yeah, I'll stick with the 270 million figure which has 17 Million hits on Google, rather than your Islamapologist invalidation whine that had what ? 17 ?

 

What arguments ? The OP is a question, not an argument, and it is asked of NON-Muslims. So what are you doing here ?

As for the point, the point is that is Muslims can't be trusted then women marrying Muslims are in danger. Businesses hiring Muslims could be in danger of being robbed. Children associating with Muslim adults are at risk. Lots of point, and Christianity and Judaism are simply OFF TOPIC.

 

Why do you ask ? - when all these things have no bearing on Islamization or terrorism in America, which is really all I'm concerned about.

 

Of course you would rather believe 270 000 000 people have been "killed by Islam" even though there are two websites clearly showing how wrong the clowns at PI are... Whether it was 12.7M is irrelevant when there is clear fact the 270 000 000 number is extremely over exaggerated and based on more speculation and guessing rather than actual facts.

But again we have you rather believing in fairy tales over something real, in this case history.

And you counter-argument? Discrediting it first because of the number of hits in Google (excellent way to decide if something is reliable) and surprise, surprise labeling it as an "Islamopologist" websites even though they aren't.

I'm invade you didn't realize the entire myth of 270 million is based off PI and PI alone which then spread to the other circuses on the Internet...

Salam

 

You are such a dishonest person.

You expect us to believe there is a rift in Christianity which consistently erupts in violence and anarchy impacting all others in the global society?

Where?
Links Please?

Those who want to equate the ignorant savages who practice Islam with modern Christians are either stupid if they believe this or stupid if they think the rest of us are gullible enough to believe this.

 

It's the fault of the Koran because the Koran is what instructs Muslims to kill. and believing this to be the word of God, they are conditioned to think killing is OK. To bad the Koran doesn't say "Thou Shalt not kill".

I don't know where you got the idea that I thought every Muslim is an Arab. Indonesia is the most Muslim populous country in the world (not Arab), and I am a former Geography college teacher.

Islamization is FACTS. Lots of them. And if you learned about those facts, you'd know that,instead of talking from ignorance, MR QUIZ ZERO.

 

If I claimed that, then I went off topic temporarily. OK, now I guess we're all back on topic > Can Muslims Ever Be Trusted ? (asked of non-Muslims) and since you're a Muslim too (right ?), you're also here crashing the party. Tsk Tsk. Shame on you.

 

I'm not even sure what your argument is anymore it's just so much baseless nonsense in each and every post you post... Credit where it's due though, you do re-word it occasionally which really helps since you repeat the same thing over and over again... I'm here because in every thread asked of Muslims you seem to like throwing your opinion in there, figure I might as well return the favour.

That fear isn't exclusively or more common in Islam/Muslim population of the world though. So your point is- how to put this nicely.... Pointless?

Muslims can be trusted as much as any other religious people out there, it has nothing to do with faith and more to do with their personality. I'd expect a 65 year old man to know better than that...

So in other words....

I'm guessing those are the answers to those questions.

Salam

 

2 websites saying it's not 270 Million, and 17 million websites saying it is. And yes, PI. Positively Irrefutetable.

 

Actually what the Quran does indeed do is give us permission to fight if we are being persecuted, slaughtered, etc and only until the persecution is over and we are to not attack any innocent people in doing so. That's what the Quran says about killing. So we can fight in self-defense only and only against out oppressor.

As for "Thou shalt not kill"... The Ten Commandments are also part of Islam and if we take a look at Surah 17:33 we might find something interesting...

And again, that theme (which is very muh repeated in the Quran when referring to war) of fighting for justice, freedom, self-defense. Fascinating what you can learn through dialogue, isn't it?

Ah wonderful you are aware Indonesia is he most Muslim populated country on Earth. Congrats. Now you do know there is differences between the Indonesian culture and Arabian culture, right?

Islamization is as factual as Mother Goose and Doctor Suess, Bigfoot and the Lochness Monster....

Salam

 

It was clearly refuted, twice, by two different websites. Neither of which were Islamic websites.

Since you like numbers so much, it's 2 against 1 here since PI is the initial source of this nonsense so based I your logic PI is wrong.

Salam

 

Oh this is kind of interesting now. You said "Muslims can be trusted as much as any other religious people out there.." well, how can you validate that when their Koran tells them to kill non-believers, beat wives, rape, enslave, commit pedophilia, and kill animals (other than for food) ?

And with irrelevant guesses to irrelevant questions, who cares ? It's all irrelevant.

 

Claiming people who disagree with your blind, childish, ignorant hated of a religion and their people are Muslims doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just makes you lose any credibility you have left on this forum and seeing as you lost your couple supporters in this thread it seems you don't have much left to lose...

Muslims can be trusted as much as any other religious group I've said it once and I'll say it again if I need to.

Salam

 

WOW....2 whole web sites huh....thats really something, I guess it truly is peaceful....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/immoral-iran-footballers-facing-lash-135254231.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15605041

 

Okay, we'll first off: What do those have to do with a Muslims ability to tell the truth?

Secondly: Quran tells us to defend ourselves by death if needed, "beat" our wives by lighty tapping them with a stick as the Prophet Mohammed PBUH showed us and that again is only if necessary, rape is forbidden in Islam, we are to treat slaves with dignity and respect and kindness, pedophilia is forbidden in Islam, to kill animals a certain way to make the food Halal (similar to Kosher food) and in respect to Abraham on Eid al-Adha.

Salam