Can you be a rich Christian?

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  1. Heretic

    Heretic Active Member

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    Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to enter into the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.

    Let's define "rich" here. I'm not talking like millionaire or billionaire rich. I'm talking about trillionaire rich. Why does a single man need so much money? What is the difference between christian rich and jew rich? A Christian is beholden more to God and Christ. He is beholden more to His people and community. He ought not amass his wealth through EVIL, but through GOOD. Do Jews have this principle? No. Jews will enslave christians and goys to make their money, lie, cheat, and steal. It is in their nature. And so there is a difference to "plain rich" and "rich rich, filthy stinky penny pinching money grubbing rich". There is a difference to holding on to a hundred dollar bill, and holding on to a million dollar bill, and holding on to a trillion dollar bill.

    It obviously is much more difficult for jews to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, since they often choose EVIL over good, in terms of money making, lending, and wealth.

    Christians are also opposed to USURY by definition, and cannot charge loans through manners of debt, or such manners of debt that cannot become FORGIVEN, such as bankruptcy. This is the number one problem plaguing the united states today. There is no FORGIVENESS of debt. And the Jews and Zionists own all. They will not forgive Christians of debt, but will instead use this immense transgression of wealth, to enslave their goy cattle.

    You do not just owe for YOUR lifetime or YOUR failures. But your children owe. And their children owe. And their children's children's children's owe.

    Your family is not enslaved to the Zionists for just one lifetime, but for 20 lifetimes. You shall become a slave in your own lands, for CENTURIES to come.


    This is Evil, obviously.....doesn't take a genius to understand this one. Rich Christians would not commit such an evil against their brethren.
     
  2. BFSmith@764

    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    Why did you stop at verse 25? Why did not go to verse 27 where Jesus said to His disciples when they were amazed over what He said, and said to them after that all things are possible with God?

    Mark 10:25-27 (KJV)
    25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
    26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
    27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

    God can give the rich a repenant heart.
     
  3. Heretic

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    I'm not saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a rich rich rich man, or a trillionaire Jew, to enter the Kingdom of God......what I am saying is that it's NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

    And that it is proved by these verses, that the poor man, or average man, will not have as much difficulty, because he is not burdened with the same amount of TEMPTATION as those with the greatest wealth. To be a trillionaire, and still GOOD, requires a near impossible feat of spirituality.
     
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    And the point that Jesus made clear is that a rich man can make it into the kingdom of God with God's help. The same help that everyone else needs into order to enter the kingdom......no one repents because of themselves.....it is God who grants each and everyone the ability to repent. So it’s no harder for God to grant repentance to the rich man than a poor man.
     
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    What you state is also true today. But that was the average age. Now with the great confidence that you display, provide a citation that would support your assertion, like I did. Support your argument. One can state anything, but it doesn't make it so. Make a small effort.
     
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    What is evil is ignorance and anti-semitism. You need help, my friend. Professional help.
     
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    God tried to help the rich young man, counseling him to give his riches to the poor and follow Him. He refused, as do virtually all the rich.
     
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    No......LIARS, HYPOCRITES, and THIEVES like you are evil....those who promote SIN, and cannot tell the difference between sex for pleasure, and sex for procreation.

    Many are ignorant, and are led about easily, by hands of GOOD or EVIL. You are one of the ignorant, brucebeat.

    You go ahead, continue to promote your liberalism and zionism, attempt to educate MY CHILDREN, and the children of GOOD CHRISTIANS, with your filth, that SIN IS GOOD, and SIN IS NORMAL, and gay butt sex is no different than a young man and woman, deeply in the throes of TRUE LOVE, that their sex for procreation is "NO DIFFERENT".
     
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    Ok. The bad news for you is, regardless of what your religion tells you, our Constitution will ultimately support that freedom. It is the inevitable march of democracy. You will still be free to be a homophobic anti-semite, but you won't be able to legislate it.
     
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    Still on your projection soap box?
     
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    That's all you've got?
    Do you want to publicly join this cretin in his blanket condemnation of Jews?
     
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    Seemingly, that is all I need considering the fact that you do not deny the inference.
     
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    No. Just not dignifying it with a response.
    So are you joining him or not?
     
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    Who is going to tell the likes of Job and Abraham that they will not be welcomed into the kingdom?
     
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    What is your point here? That Christ was lying, or kidding?
     
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    But you did respond to that post, so you did dignify the post and did not deny the inference.

    Joining who on what?
     
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    Sorry that would take hours and even days to find it, because this was something that was spoken about by a pastor in a video presentation, in which he addressed the Greek word ekklēsia and what it meant among the Jews during Jesus’ time, in which he touched on the age of most would retire.


    But most of the original disciples were fishermen and worked for their father which the father would pass on his trade to one of his sons, who is usually the oldest. Back then there were no corporations that would employ masses of people, so many people were trades men…….when I was growing up back home I knew a lot of men who worked for themselves…..in fact in the Country aria most were self-employed, and were ether farmers, fishermen, owned a small shop or a vender that sells stuff at school. They either travel from place to place selling what they have or they might be carpenter, a tent maker or a fisher man. If they lived in a kingdom the king would be the one that would provide whatever a tradesman needed in his kingdom in order to be a productive subject, so that the king could tax a portion of his income, which in turn would enrich the king and enable him to protect his kingdom from an invasion or if he is rich enough he would be able to launch an invasion himself. There were no colleges or trade schools where a young person could be sent to get educated, so usually the son or sons would learn the trade of their father. As the son become more skilled in his father's trade eventually the father would hand his business over to his eldest son. Some of the apostles worked for themselves, and is one of the reasons why they were able to travel to various parts of the world, like Paul for example. Had they been tied down to working for a corporation like the vast majority of people today, Christianity would pretty much be confined to the Jews in Jerusalem. So it behooves all Christians to strive to for self-employment, in order for them to do what Paul and the other apostles were able to do.
     
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    If you can't keep up with the thread, I'm not going to babysit you.
     
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    No citation, no credibility.
    Christ said work with your hands.
    The disciples didn't retire. They walked away from their past lives, gave up all, and followed.
     
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    The thread became meaningless when you reactivated your projectionist stance by stating that a member needs professional help. Are you the god of the psyche and therefore know all that is to be known about an individual man or woman who within all likelihood you have never met?
     
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    Oh. Ok.
     
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    Read the Babylonian Talmud. They condemn themselves by their own words.
    http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt04.html
     
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    The point that i am making is that if they were working for someone they would not have been able to travel and preach the gospel, and not all were paid by the Church.
     
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    THERE WAS NO CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    They sacrificed all and followed Christ.
     
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    Paul stole money when he needed it.

    2 Corinthians 11:8 CEV) = I robbed other churches by taking money from them to serve you.
     

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