Can You Believe in God and Evolution?

Your post nicely demonstrates how right-wing evangelical fundamentalists - whilst accusing others of cherry-picking the bible - happily cherry-pick it themselves whenever it suits their agenda.
Yes Jesus fulfilled the law. So if you're a Christian why do you keep ignoring His loving words and why are you so happy to throw the first stone?

 

No, the Bible is true whether you or I believe it or not.

I interpret the Bible literally. That includes the Old and the New Testament.

Quantrill

 

What makes you think I am throwing the first stone?

I don't ignore anything Christ said. But, I am aware that not everything He said is directed to the Church. In fact, most of what Christ said was not directed to the Church.

Quantrill

 

LOL! YOU turn me away from the Bible??? I don't think so. It would take a bit more than some little weakling with no character or honesty to do that. I was tlaking about why so many non-Christians are turned off. They encounter people like you.

So you have said you take the Bible literally. Then after being proven wrong, instead of just having a pair, you BS'd along to "Well, uh, what I meant was uh, oh I know! Literally means interpreted!" LOL what a weakling.

 

I totally and wholeheartedly agree Margot, EXCEPT if you are a literalist. A literalist takes every word of the Bible literally (unless stated otherwise) and for them believing in Evolution as well as Creationism is simply impossible since according to evolutionary Science, everything has been evolving and changing for millions of years, while literalist Christians believe the Earth is only around 6000 years old or so.

 

I do take the Bible literally. That has always been the literal interpretation.

Just because you and others didn't know what that meant is not my problem. You should look into it before you start whining about it. Now that you know, you find you have less to whine about and have been wrong all this time. That's starting to be a habit with you.

Quantrill

 

I don't know any one who takes every single word literally, without allowing for allegory or symbols. Do you?

This is usually the creation of the unbelievers who want to find something wrong with the Bible. Usually due to some internet info they received and believed. Or just need to mock some Christians.

I am a literalist and do not believe the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Quantrill

 

So you do not believe that the earth is as old as the Bible's genealogical tables might suggest it is to some of your literalist friends, but you do believe literally that God created the earth and everything on it in 6 24h days and formed Adam out of a piece of clay in the process? And you're happy to say that anybody who dares to view that part of the bible as an allegory/symbol isn't a true Christian?
Seems to me that you're pretty much on random mode when trying to establish what's literal and what's not, while others try to base such assessments on fancy things such as facts and common sense.

 

Based on that alone,( the age of the earth) no, I am not going to say one is not a Christian who disagrees with me on this.

But, with all you have said, I certainly do say your not Christian.

Nothing random at all.

Quantrill

 

I on the other hand would never doubt that you're a Christian, I just think you're a misguided one.

 

Of course. You're absolutely right! So when I said certain parts of the Bible are interpreted and you said I was wrong, you were right!
Dude, you are a weak, laughable hypocrite!
You claim you take the Bible LITERALLY.
I said you interpret parts of it - even parts where Jesus is quoted directly.
You said NO! There are allegories like parables but otherwise NO!
Then....
You said "Well, uh, Taking it Literally MEANS uh, er, IT'S INTERPETED"
Like I said. You're a weakling. No character.
As a matter of fact, you're SO weak, I'll bet you can't link a single thread where you ever wrote "You're right. I'm wrong. I apologize."
Weak.
Oh, and YOU can judge whether or not Junobet is a Christian?
You are a modern day Pharisee.

 

Indeed. Most know I am Christian.

Quantrill

 

Keep talking. You make very little sense. I have always said I believe the Bible is to be taken literally. Its your ignorance not to know what that means. Its your immaturity to mouth off before you know what it means.

Of course you are wrong. I thought we already established that.

Quantrill

 

What does literal mean to you then?

I have it defined by The Free Dictionary as;

lit·er·al (ltr-l)
adj.
1. Being in accordance with, conforming to, or upholding the exact or primary meaning of a word or words.
2. Word for word; verbatim: a literal translation.
3. Avoiding exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment; factual; prosaic: a literal description; a literal mind.
4. Consisting of, using, or expressed by letters: literal notation.
5. Conforming or limited to the simplest, nonfigurative, or most obvious meaning of a word or words.

Do you follow these definitions for your use of the word, 'literal'?

 

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Agree with both statements. You just do not come across as helpless

No, it is not like it works in real life. When you take an exam and fail a question it does not nullify correct answers to all other questions. You still can get an A. Thus the fact that you lied when you claimed that you had read TOR does not make all your other statements a lie and you a liar. This is the only way you and other atheists have been debating – trying to catch or provoke an error and to claim that everything else is an error. Atheists don’t need any knowledge of anything, less thermodynamics or The TOR. They are just like primitive organisms one pokes to cause the same reaction. You can scroll back and see that you have never raised any objection to my statement.

BTW the TOR is not about gravity or gravitation.

Through the same process as any other mammal? Which makes all mammals to be just a sort mentioned in Genesis? Should I copy paste my point or you can scroll back to see the all richness and completeness of the proof you have avoided to address, - again going for a possible error or misspelling or grammar or atheistic dictionary?

P.S. Whom are catching? Do you really think it is me?

 

The literal interpretation of the Bible is just that , the literal interpretation. It was wrongfully labeled by those who oppose it. It is not literal in that every word is to be taken literally. It is literal in that it understands what is being said is to be taken literally unless the normal forms of speech are being used such as allegory, or metophors or similes, or symobols, or types, etc.

Just because miraculous events are described in no way means that which is described should be taken as only a story, but not necessarily true. An allegory is usually identified. Similes and metaphors are evident by the words 'like' and 'as'. 'Types' in the Scripture do not take away from the truth of the historical figures, just like with the allegory. They are true historical stories, that point to a larger or another truth.

In other words, the literal method of interpretation of the Bible is really just a normal method of interpretation. All is taken as literal unless there is evidence of a figure of speech.

This is in contrast to those who want to interpret the Bible allegorically or symbolically. There, the story is proabably not true, and only the meaning you can derive from it is important. But, then everyone becomes the interpreter of the Bible. It only means what you want it to mean.

A new avatar. Are you now angry?

Quantrill

 

I see. So stemming back to my original post in here and your response to it, http://www.politicalforum.com/4503772-post582.html if you don't 'literally' believe the Earth is 6000 years old and to quote junobet, "...as the Bible's genealogical tables might suggest it is..." then how old do you believe the Earth to actually be and do you truly believe God created the Earth in 6 days? And what scripture do you have to support your belief in the Earth's age? Do you believe in Evolution at all? (I suspect you don't to be honest, but I may as well ask to be sure.)

Haha no. I just like to play this character (the person in my avatar photo) in an online game I frequent called League of Legends. It's a lot of fun if you like RTS type games.

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I have fun changing my avatar on occasion. And if I am angry it's because I'm starting to get a migraine coming on. =(

 

Do you see the radical opposites in our faiths? You have never been personally insulted. Your faith was insulted . That justifies your personal attacks. In my religion if one’s faith insults another faith a Xn turns another cheek and sees no reason to attack the insulting person, strap on bombs or behead the insulting person. We, Xns mean no harm to you or any other person who feels like insulting our faith.

Comprehend the difference?

I understand it is not so simple for Muslims to comprehend…. Let me try to bring up some other facts;

I glorify the one who was betrayed, spit on, insulted, mocked, whipped and nailed to the wood. In a Muslim mind – in the same way as in a pagan, barbarian or an atheistic mind, - the one who is worth to be praised must lead armies, acquire wealth, power, slaves, females of all ages and prestige as Mohumed and barbarians before him did.

Our beliefs are polar, 180 degrees opposite. I am on the side of the nailed, you take the side of the nailer. Thus however scientists, catholics and intellectuals represent us believing in the same G-d I have no reason to agree with you and them.


The mocked and nailed one is totally different from all other gods. That’s why you have no way to mock my faith or make any attempt of insult it -whatever caricatures you draw, whatever vinegar you feed to us as a refreshement – you are just plain boring. You miss the point in the same way as Felicity, Iolo, Margot, and whatever are the names of those who are always on your side and declare you to be their brother, - Mr Conservative, the german joker and no affiliation but Obama’s.

 

I believe the earth to be older than 6000 years. The genologies are not given in Scripture to determine a date. They are given to show a connection in some lineage way. Sometimes God will not list some in the geneologies for His own purposes. Thus many years can be lost. Especially if its pre-flood years where people lived to nearly 1000 years old.

I don't know how old the earth is. We are not told. The earth was in existance prior to Adam and Eve. And, it was in existance prior to what we call the 'creation' found in Gen. 1. You notice in Gen 1:2 that it says, 'and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep'.

I hold to what is called the 'gap theory'. A title I don't particulary like, but if you want to look it up, that is the best way to find it. In a nutshell, Gen.1:1 is orignial creation. Gen. 1:2-31 is the recreation of the earth. In between the time period which exists between 1:1 and 1:2 something occurred which caused the original creation of 1:1 to be cast into the judgemental chaos of 1:2. That something is believed to be, and I agree, the fall of Lucifer. The time period is undetermined and the earth could be very old.

I have Scripture to support this, but right now am getting tierd. I will be glad to give it tomorrow if your interested.

Too much time on the computer no doubt.

Quantrill

 

Yes actually, this is very interesting. And I agree, I think we both may have been on the computer long enough. I'm getting tired myself and need to lay down. So let's discuss this more tomorrow. =)

 

Atheists never do. Quoting out of context is their thing.

You and Quantrill are both wrong. It is not interpretation. It is just an explanation. Both of you as well as JS point to the same first commandment. He overrides the 9 following at His will.

In other words atheists count on those who have no basic education, no ability to put observed realities together. Atheists taking over the system of education are perusing the main goal of atheism which is to dumb young minds. The most simple and basic logical constructions as “if, then” represented in the discussed scripture is inaccessible for atheistic minds… How then can Quantrill or I address more complicated constructions of the Bible? A few decades ago students were learning reading and reading comprehension through the Bible. Now they do it through main organs of feelings of those who call themselves homosexuals.

 

i dont see why you couldnt. for all we know evolution is just a tool by god. just like software you get upgrades to make it better, why cant the same be said about humans and animals?

 

If
I believe that the earth is not older than 6000 years (which as has been proven is a belief of atheists about Xns but not a belief of Xn about the age of the earth)

And

I do not believe in evolution :

Does it disqualify me as


1. A Xn
2. A brain surgeon
3. A heart surgeon
4. A dentist
5. A power plant chief engineer
6. A MRI engineer
7. A MRI designer
8. A Shuttle engine designer
9. ????
10. name one usefull and productive occupation

 

well I don't know about the software upgrade thing, because I would assume that there is a purpose for everything created by an omniscient God - but certainly, my understanding is that "God works in mysterious ways".

even though I am an atheist, I have never assumed that evolution can be taken as evidence that God didn't create all life on earth - in fact, the wonders of it all make it seem more amazing than him waving his hand and saying - let there be life etc ...

If I was inclined towards belief, I think the more I knew, the more I would think there was a God.

 

Don't waste your time. He's a whackjob. The boy's got no honesty, character or strength.
Did you catch his bullsh1t about "Taking things literally means interpreting them" and his ass got owned on Luke 14:26? Laughable. What a weakling.