Capitalism vs Collectivism- whats the real debate?

The only propaganda there is was determined by the socialist movement.

 

wow. Just wow. Then where did you get the BS idea that socialism can't work when there has been no socialist country, and that communism could be imposed by force and create a society of workers and privileged, highly paid bosses to name just two of the many wrong things you said?

 

Socialism is working now, as evidenced by the large number of WSDEs in operation.

 

I still don't see how WSDEs, which consist of a very small number of corporations in the world, validate that socialism works while they operate in a capitalist environment, especially while they have a **** ton of non-owner employees.

The difference between a WSDE corporation and a regular cooperation seem negligible at best.

Richard Wolff is a loon.

 

sure!!! its a free country so if it works before you know it all corporations will be worker controlled, and ..without managers. Who ever needed them anyway?

 

It's just another business model. If it's successful it will catch on. If it's not, it won't. @Kode seems to think it's the way to go.

 

Socialism doesn't grow through propaganda. Its very much spread through activism and experiences of the individual. You don't get that with the free marketeers types. Those fellows are told what to think by billionaire media owners and pressure groups financed by corporate interests.

 

so how much did 120 million dead folk spread socialism from their graves?

 

Could you provide a few examples of businesses where that happened?

 

I have read in the news of cases in which business owners WANT it to happen. I have no completed deals of this type.

http://www.co-oplaw.org/legal-tools/conversion/

http://guides.wsj.com/small-busines...e-the-right-way-to-cash-out-of-your-business/

 

And you fail to recognize that constant economic growth only results in constant inflation, which as a consequence results in greater wealth disparity and more poverty.
You also fail to recognize that centralized government produced laws and regulations are the result of statistical analysis which can be the result of greatly differing data, resulting in a one size fits all solution which can produce as much or more harm than the help intended.

That has to be the most utterly vacuous statement yet.
Even your promoted WSDEs are a form of private owed businesses.

I have to disagree with the above. PEOPLE are the foundation which gives rise to everything including the economy.

Nelson Aldrich, and Woodrow Wilson quickly come to mind in answer to that question.

 

The fact is, that nearly anything will work when it has the consent of all participants.
I would draw at line at using government force in pace of consent. That would appear to be how democracy fails becoming more of a dictatorship.

Wolff is a Marxian economist. I'm not a Marxist.

 

Essentially there is nothing preventing it from happening if the owners can be satisfied by the offer.

 

I disagree. Anything new is "sold" through some fact, estimates and guesstimates, as I call them. The presentation must include some light forms of propaganda to disparage existing ideas and practices. I didn't know you were a socialist/communist? I assume you are by your post.

 

So you say the capitalist system produces inflation, resulting in disparity and poverty. That's not news.

You fail to recognize that that has nothing to do with anything I ever said.

Riiiiiight. To you and @Longshot there is no difference between a dozen highly privileged people raking in the profit from the work of 10,000 workers who have no say, and the 10,000 workers democratically deciding what to do with those profits. LOL!!!

But people choose different kinds of economies under different conditions? LOL!!!!!

 

in fact inflation is 100% produced by a central bank that makes a decision to inflate, it is not caused by capitalism in any conceivable way. IF you don't understand please feel free to ask questions.

 

thats the pure beauty of Republican capitalism if the 10,000 workers or any one of them feel they are getting ripped off they are free to quit and start their own better company. This is how progress happens; how our standard of living rises.

libcommie govt prevents this progress and 120 million slowly starve to death. If you don't understand please feel free to ask questions.

 

I'm about to put you on "ignore" again. You intentionally quoted just part of my statement on that to make it look like I disagreed with you, so that you could run your contempt and condescension on me. Why should I discuss anything with you?

 

I'm one step closer to putting you on "ignore". Keep it up! You're razor-close to the end with me.

 

100% of your statement: [changes nothing]
"So you say the capitalist system produces inflation, resulting in disparity and poverty. That's not news."


in fact inflation is 100% produced by a central bank that makes a decision to inflate, it is not caused by capitalism in any conceivable way. If you don't understand please feel free to ask questions. Why should you discuss? Ideally, because you want to learn but since liberalism is based emotionally in pure ignorance discussion will be very painful for you. Ever see a conservative who runs away from rather than toward a discussion? What does that teach you?

 

ever see a conservative afraid of a debate?

 

Yes, you. You show your fear by deflecting, insulting, spinning, avoiding, and rejecting facts. "Talk, talk, talk" does not equal "debate". In fact, if you look into standard debating rules and guidelines, you'll see there is no debating that happens on this forum. There is partisan confrontation in an effort to knock the "opponent" down with words so he cannot get back up. That's all.

 

I was in agreement. But read your reply again as you have posted it again here. It reflects an attempt to argue against opposition. But I was in agreement. What don't you understand about "agreement"?

 

They're different business models. As you prefer WSDEs you should go with that business model.

 

conservatism is 2000 years old and explained 1000 different ways by 10,000 different geniuses. <Rule 2/3> Why not think about it and put into words your primary objection to conservatism/libertarianism, then study to find where you are wrong? If you cant discover on your own we are here to help you.