"Catholic Priest to Gay Couple: Get Divorced & You Can Have Communion"

I wonder what they would be told in mosque?

 

I still say this thread is a load of bunk. No priest would tell gay men to get divorced because no priest recognizes them as married. I asked for a link to this fabricated story and got zilch.

 

Those maybe true. But, they can still be a christian. As I said, who knows what's in one's heart, how they feel, how they repent. Everyone sins daily. Do you consider divorcees christians? Folks who have premarital sex, are any christians? How about drunkards?
IMO, any and all can be christians. Now whether one inherits that so called kingdom is another topic.
So the bible does NOT say a gay is not a christian.

 

Of course people who violate the sexual prudence is a society are NOT christians, in spite they may say they are.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 

There's a difference between an event and a pattern, between someone who on sinning sincerely repents and tries to act better and someone who says he doesn't care what God says and are open about their sin.

Be more specific.

See above.

We disagree. The Bible calls those who flaunt God's teaching workers of iniquity, and the proud (those who think their way is better than God's way). Jesus' true followers who follow His commands.

 

Pretty much.

 

Gays do give in and do"it."
True.

But the real issue is they want everyone to know that they are doing "it."
They teach Sexual Promiscuity to the younger people who see there political efforts to corrupt even the Institution of Marriage.

They demand tolerance as they loudly proclaim Gayness is just fine, joining behind the harlots who also spread sexual ideas as fun and adult recreation.

 

The real tragedy is the Child Abuse which sexual promiscuity creates, as Straights join into that sexual behavior and half of all the kids are fatherless bastards, raised by Single Mothers:


As supported by the data below, children from fatherless homes are more likely to be poor, become involved in drug and alcohol abuse, drop out of school, and suffer from health and emotional
problems.
Boys are more likely to become involved in crime, and girls are more likely to become pregnant as teens.

1. Poverty

- Children in father-absent homes are five times more likely to be poor. In
2002, 7.8% of children in married-couple families were living in poverty,
compared to 38.4% of children in female-householder families.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Children's Living Arrangements and Characteristics: March
2002, P20-547, Table C8. Washington, D.C.: GPO 2003.

- In 1996, young children living with unmarried mothers were five times
as likely to be poor and ten times as likely to be extremely poor.
Source: "One in Four: America's Youngest Poor." National Center for children in Poverty. 1996.

- Almost 75% of American children living in single-parent families will
experience poverty before they turn 11 years old. Only 20 percent of
children in two-parent families will do the same.
Source: National Commission on Children. Just the Facts: A Summary of Recent information
on America's Children and their Families. Washington, DC, 1993.

Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census.Statistical Abstract of the United States 1994. Washington, DC: GPO 1994.

2. Drug and Alcohol Abuse

- The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services states, "Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse."
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Survey on Child Health. Washington, DC, 1993.

- Children growing up in single-parent households are at a significantly increased risk for drug abuse as teenagers.
Source: Denton, Rhonda E. and Charlene M. Kampfe. "The relationship Between Family Variables and Adolescent Substance Abuse: A literature Review." Adolescence 114 (1994): 475-495.

- Children who live apart from their fathers are 4.3 times more likely to smoke cigarettes as teenagers than children growing up with their fathers in the home.
Source: Stanton, Warren R., Tian P.S. Oci and Phil A. Silva. "Sociodemographic characteristics of Adolescent Smokers." The International Journal of the Addictions 7 (1994): 913-925.(*)

3. Physical and Emotional Health

- Unmarried mothers are less likely to obtain prenatal care and more likely to have a low birthweight baby. Researchers find that these negative effects persist even when they take into account factors, such as parental education, that often distinguish single-parent from two-parent families.

Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Public Health Service. Center for Disease Control and Prevention. National Center for Health Statistics. Report to Congress on Out-of-Wedlock Childbearing. Hyattsville, MD (Sept. 1995): 12.

- A study on nearly 6,000 children found that children from single parent homes had more physical and mental health problems than children who lived with two married parents. Additionally, boys in single parent homes were found to have more illnesses than girls in single parent homes.

Source: Hong, Gong-Soog and Shelly L. White-Means."Do Working Mothers Have Healthy Children?" Journal of Family and Economic Issues 14 (Summer 1993): 163-186.

- Children in single-parent families are two to three times as likely as children in two-parent families to have emotional and behavioral problems.

Source: Stanton, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics."National Health Interview Survey." Hyattsville, MD, 1988.
Source: Zill, Nicholas and Carol Schoenborn. Child Developmental, Learning and Emotional Problems: Health of Our Nation's Children. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Advance Data 1990. Washington, DC: GPO, 16 Nov. 1990.

- Three out of four teenage suicides occur in households where a parent has been absent.
Source: Elshtain, Jean Bethke."Family Matters: The Plight of America's Children." The Christian Century (July 1993): 14-21.


4. Educational Achievement

- In studies involving over 25,000 children using nationally representative data sets, children who lived with only one parent had lower grade point averages, lower college aspirations, poor attendance records, and higher drop out rates than students who lived with both parents.

Source: McLanahan, Sara and Gary Sandefur. Growing up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1994.

- Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Survey on Child Health. Washington, DC; GPO, 1993.

Source: McLanahan, Sara and Gary Sandefur. Growing up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1994.

- After taking into account race, socioeconomic status, sex, age, and ability, high school students from single-parent households were 1.7 times more likely to drop out than were their corresponding counterparts living with both biological parents.
Source: McNeal, Ralph B. Jr."Extracurricular Activities and High School Dropouts." Sociology of Education 68(1995): 62-81.

- School children from divorced families are absent more, and more anxious, hostile, and withdrawn, and are less popular with their peers than those from intact families.

Source: One-Parent Families and Their Children: The School's Most Significant Minority. The Consortium for the Study of School Needs of Children from One-Parent Families. National Association of elementary School Principals and the Institute for Development of Educational Activities, a division of the Charles f. Kettering Foundation. Arlington, VA 1980.


5. Crime

- Children in single parent families are more likely to be in trouble with the law than their peers who grow up with two parents.

Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. National Health Interview Survey. Hyattsville, MD, 1988.

- In a study using a national probability sample of 1,636 young men and women, it was found that older boys and girls from female headed households are more likely to commit criminal acts than their peers who lived with two parents.

Source: Heimer, Karen. "Gender, Interaction, and Delinquency: Testing a Theory of Differential Social Control." Social Psychology Quarterly 59 (1996): 39-61.
Source: Ryan, Gail et al."Trendis in a National Sample of Sexually Abusive Youths." Journal of the American Academy of Child Adolescent Psychiatry 35 (January 1996): 17-25.

- A study in the state of Washington using statewide data found an increased likelihood that children born out-of-wedlock would become a juvenile offender. Compared to their peers born to married parents, children born out-of-wedlock were:
1.7 times more likely to become an offender and 2.1 times more likely to become a chronic offender if male.

1.8 times more likely to become an offender and 2.8 times more likely to become a chronic offender if female.

10 times more likely to become a chronic juvenile offender if male and born to an unmarried teen mother.

Source: Conseur, Amy et al. "Maternal and Perinatal Risk Factors for Later Delinquency." Pediatrics 99 (1997): 785-790.


6. Sexual Activity and Teen Pregnancy

- Adolescent females between the ages of 15 and 19 years reared in homes without fathers are significantly more likely to engage in premarital sex than adolescent females reared in homes with both a mother and a father.
Source: Billy, John O. G., Karin L. Brewster and William R. Grady. "Contextual Effects on the Sexual Behavior of Adolescent Women." Journal of Marriage and Family 56 (1994): 381-404.

- A survey of 720 teenage girls found:
97% of the girls said that having parents they could talk to could help reduce teen pregnancy.

93% said having loving parents reduced the risk.

76% said that their fathers were very or somewhat influential on their decision to have sex.
Source: Clements, Mark. Parade. February 2, 1997.

- Children in single parent families are more likely to get pregnant as teenagers than their peers who grow up with two parents.

Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. National Health Interview Survey. Hyattsville, MD 1988.

- A white teenage girl from an advantaged background is five times more likely to become a teen mother if she grows up in a single-mother household than if she grows up in a household with both biological parents.

Source: Whitehead, Barbara Dafoe. "Facing the Challenges of Fragmented Families." The Philanthropy Roundtable 9.1 (1995): 21.

 

You do realize one can be gay and abstain from sex? Not saying it happens often, but as one ages, it certainly is more probable.

Who says any of those are flaunting anything? Are proud? Why do you think there way is better than Gods? Do you know each and every individual in the world?
No one follows his commands. All they can do is try and repent when falling short. NO matter the sin.
Since you sin, can I assume you are not a christian? That you can judge others hearts and minds, makes you a 'true follower'?

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None of those are the words of Jesus. Those are all of pauls writings.

 

Hey, you'll get no argument out of me on that.

 

Exactly. All the government money in the world won't fix these problems caused by family breakdown.

 

EXACTLY! They are in no different position than a single heterosexual, or a heterosexual in a bad, sexless marriage. They are to remain celibate. It is ALWAYS possible to do the will of God.

Here's a few: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_parade I imagine it was much the same in Sodom, they had their sexual revolution thousands of years before ours.

Already answered this, there is a difference between a sinful event, sincerely repented of, and a willful pattern, that basically gives God and His Word the finger.

Inspired by God, which includes Jesus Christ.

 

To remain and always remain, not the same thing. You are to remain sinless, I am 100% confident you don't.

A few parades? Willing to bet, none of them, or few, claim to be christian. You realize, the whole world isn't nor should be christian. Sodom is a fictional story.

Since you sin multiple times a day, you are giving god the finger?

I call BS. Paul had nothing to do with inspiration from God.

 

I was more specific. You haven't answered.
Are divorcees who go to church a christian? If the reason for divorce was not adultery?
Is someone who gets drunk 1X per week and still goes to church a christian?

 

Nonsense, the Bible says nobody is sinless, see Paul about himself.

You missed the photo of the Metropolitan Community Church perverts.

Ideally, it would be. See the Great Commission.

No it isn't. http://archaeology.knoji.com/sodom-and-gomorrah-historic-fact-or-biblical-allegory/

No, I repent and try to do better, I don't excuse my sin or say it isn't really sin.

We disagree. He thought it did. http://www.opc.org/new_horizons/Inspiration.html

 

If you divorced because you found someone better I would personally would have to question your faith. These multiple marriages are serial polygamy.

Some who gets drunk 52 times a year is a drunkard, no? Along with homosexual activity and slave trading the NT says such won't inherit the Kingdom.

 

Tell you what, as so many have said before and it bears repeating in light of news reports about some of them, the moment tempted priests practice complete chastity also, because it is believed they first must take a vow of chastity in order to become priests, perhaps that will open a new door for conversation to look into the private lives of their parishioners and make some room to criticize them but until that happens, if a Catholic is unhappy with the way the church treats them and the albatross some have to wear around their neck, imho, they should simply consider leaving the church for a more loving and accepting Christian church of which there are many. End of story.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest, not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye." LUKE 6:41-42 KJV ​

 

Biblical scholars have determined that that verse is speaking to men who are Heterosexual, not Homosexual and women who are Heterosexual not Lesbians. When Straight males would consider lusting after another male, which would be unnatural to the Heterosexual but not to the Homosexual then that would be sinful for the Straight male likewise for the Straight female to go with a woman. The KEY here is ".... leaving the natural use of the woman, ...." That speaks to a Heterosexual, Straight male whose natural use would indeed be for a woman but who would consider having sexual relations with a man. So that Scripture addresses Heterosexuals and not Homosexuals who have never had a "natural" use of a woman.

 

Well we agree then, you're no better than a gay.

And you're adding hate to you christian belief. Not very jesus like.

Ideally the whole world would be hindu, or buddah.

The place may existed, the story is fiction.

So you're no better than a christian gay. That is what I've been saying. And you'll never have a sinless day. Just like everyone else.

We do disagree. According to your story, This means that God has uttered the words written in the Bible. "God," we are told, "spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets" (Heb. 1:1).
See the thread about bible contradictions. If God uttered the very words, set up the scenes for the bible authors, yet still stories differ. Something doesn't add up.
And it's not very convincing, 'we are told'? By whom and what is their authority.

Paul and Jesus speak differently on how to live. Paul doesn't speak for jesus or God. Sorry.

 

You keep confusing getting into some kingdom and your claims they aren't christian. As I've told you, most of christianity won't get the kingdom. Jesus says so himself. That doesn't mean they are christian, just not up to snuff, you may be included in that not up to snuff and a drunkard or gay person may get up to snuff.

Remember one can be forgiven mere seconds or less before death.

 

Typical stupidity. We are all sinners. No priest or parishioner will ever be sinless. Your suggestion is sheer ignorance.

You would have been real great in the 1st century: "Hey Peter and Paul, you guys can't preach to people or write parts of the Bible until you stop sinning".

That's just about as ignorant as your post is.

 

I'm afraid the ignorant one is you, my friend. Keep making excuses for them. Being in denial is also no excuse.

 

So gay activists with an axe to grind decided recently that the church had it wrong for 2,000 years on this passage? I don't think so.

 

Again, you refuse to see the difference between repentance for sin and not doing so. Are you just being deliberately obtuse?

He called it an abomination, so you're wrong again.

The difference is, my sins are forgiven, yours aren't.

Want to give me a specific so I don't have to read an entire thread?

Nonsense, Jesus as God inspired Paul's writings.

 

I fail to see nothing. You don't know they don't repent. You don't know they abstain from sex. You don't know squat about the millions of gays. So I am not the one being obtuse. You're being judgemental on an entire group of people.

You called them perverts. You did not say the act was perverted. That suggests hate of the person.
And, if I think I know the passage you're talking about, there was a whole lot more than just homosexuality in the list. And is 1 sin greater than another? Or are all sins equal in the eyes of the christ?

Prove it.

Read the NT. Paul's letters refer to what he thinks, I don't think he ever speaks for jesus. He can't, never met the man.



Nonsense, Jesus as God inspired Paul's writings.