CDC: Coronavirus Fatality Rate 0.26%, 8-15x Lower than Estimates

Covid is real....the claimed effect of Covid is not.

Let's not forget they started out saying "get in the bunker, or millions will die".

I've explained that to them many times, but we all know how much effort they put into comprehension.

 

Does the CDC allow coding of "Covid deaths" without even testing to see if the affected even had Covid? Yes.

Does the CDC allow coding of "Covid deaths" for those who died with Covid, but Covid was not the cause of death? Why, yes. Yes it does.

That clearly means that thousands, if not tens of thousands, did not die OF Covid....they died WITH Covid.

We already know that in Italy only 12% of the death certificates listed Covid as the CAUSE of death.

Eventually reality will slow drip you. It's your choice how long you want to drag the nonsense out.

 

It's difficult to proscribe motivations, but it's much easier to observe results, and the fact is, the deadliness of the virus was exaggerated. We're not facing anything like the original death rates promised, and if you follow SCIENCE, apparently protesting and rioting provides some level of immunity.

I've missed the part where @vman12 has claimed that tens of thousands have not really died from the virus, but I'm sure you'll have no problem producing those posts.

 

Well I concede everything about said about the virus except that it's a "fabricated hoax." No one planned this all out, everyone played their parts within their own self interest, but in January there was no master plan to deceive everyone, the credentialed establishment was perfectly capable of sheer incompetence on it's own without ascribing a master plan to it.

 

All you have to do is ask yourself two questions:

How did 42 states have a combined 30k "covid deaths" while one state, NY, says it has 30k "covid deaths".

Then all you have to do is read the classification on what allows you to classify a death as a "covid death".

They don't even require a Covid positive test result to call something a "covid death".

It's all pure nonsense.

When looking at the virus from a global perspective....why are there so few deaths in the 3rd world from Covid?

Wouldn't countries with literally no ability to take care of Covid infected have a huge number of deaths?

Why yes, yes they should.

Do they? No.

 

You could always ask why China banned domestic travel to and from Wuhan, but did not stop international travel to and from Wuhan.

 

The still thinking is beginning to get woke to the crass political exploitation of the Wuhan Virus.
Once again the DP will pay a high political price for its campaign strategists' amoral incompetence.

"We have developed complete tunnel vision on one cause of death, and forgotten or relegated all of the other causes of human death and suffering. We are now casually discussing the possibility of new famines in Africa and India and of economic bailouts three times the size of the 2008 economic crash, after just one month of lockdown. These outcomes are by no means guaranteed by the appearance of Covid-19 itself. This is the shocking result of lockdown policy, and a stark reminder of how disastrous public policy can be in the wrong hands. The economy is not just some toy for the ultra-rich (although aspects of it can be, e.g. stock markets), it is also crucial to the continued prosperity and flourishing of average working families. Therefore, the flippant dismissal of economic concerns by some on the left is a massive mistake, the consequences of which will be suffered for generations, and the weight of which will fall particularly on the shoulders of young people like myself. This has never been about life versus money, it has always been about life versus life."
LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS, The Left-Wing Case Against Lockdowns, By Mr Alexis FitzGerald, 14 May 2020.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-left-wing-case-against-lockdowns/

 

HCQ, and 3rd world countries may be poor, but their people have enough sense not to allow infected patients to be placed among the uninfected elderly.

 

The Wuhan Virus is no hoax, but it may have been fabricated.

"A new study published in the peer-reviewed journal Antiviral Research (Vol. 16, April 2020) is entitled, “The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade.”

It reveals that the CoVid-19 coronavirus contains unique features that allow it to function as a more efficient weapon system for human-to-human transmission, which helps explain why the virus has been impossible to contain (even under “quarantine” conditions, which have universally failed in China, Japan, Korea and elsewhere)."
Biological Weapons News, CONFIRMED: CoVid-19 coronavirus found to contain unique “gain-of-function” property “for efficient spreading in the human population” … exact quote from science paper just published in Antiviral Research, By Mike Adams, 02/19/2020.
https://biologicalweapons.news/2020...for-efficient-spreading-human-population.html

 

How many more pages on this topic do we need before realizing that neither side will cave? If the fatality rate is lower than anticipated, that is a win. Isn't it? Does it need to turn into a dick measuring exercise?

 

No one promised you a death rate. Models predicted the number of deaths in the US and the number of deaths, so far, is very much in line with those predictions. The IHME model that was championed by the White House estimated around 60-90K dead by August. So their median estimate significantly under-estimated the amount of dead (although their 95% confidence margin of error did go anywhere from 35K to 190K).

The fact that 110,000+ died in two months with pandemic control measures put in place across the country should really do more to convince people that the lethality of this virus was not exaggerated.

And I presume that I do not need to provide further proof of vman claiming that tens of thousands have not really died from the virus given that he repeated his idiotic conspiracy theory for you in the very next post.

 

Every ordinary American citizen has an interest in making sure the "experts" responsible for the destructive policies imposed during this pandemic are never relied on for policy discussions again.

"Furthermore, the lockdowns are almost certainly bad for our public health. Covid-19 is not by any means the only thing that kills people. Many people are now too scared to go to hospitals to get important treatments, tests and surgeries that are certainly losing us lives to undiagnosed cancers, heart issues, etc. Where our healthcare systems cannot cope with Covid-19, we should immediately have funded and expanded our capacity (e.g. with temporary hospitals) rather than locking down society."
LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS, The Left-Wing Case Against Lockdowns, By Mr Alexis FitzGerald, 14 May 2020.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-left-wing-case-against-lockdowns/

 

The CDC didn't start counting non COVID 19 positive deaths until..March I think? Until then, the numbers were probably pretty solid. States changed their reporting at different times. In New York, it was April when they started adding in the non positive cases: "The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive."

Minnesota and Ohio also reported the juiced numbers, and by now I'm sure other states are, but there are actual positive COVID-19 results leading to actual COVID-19 deaths. But this isn't a conspiracy, they are out in the open with their reporting requirements. It's a pretty clear money grab.

 

That's not obvious?

 

Yeah but it's origin isn't considered the hoax part.

 

On the Vman issue, I concede. After either not seeing or not having any memory of such posts, he quickly fell in with posts right after I posted confirming what you stated, that he regarded it as a hoax.

On the modeling, despite your protestations, it's mostly been wrong. For example, “On April 2, IHME predicted 262,092; on April 5, that was reduced to 140,823.” And then it was wrong of course about April 5th: “The IHME projected on April 5 that hard hit New York would need about 24,000 hospital beds, including about 6,000 for ICU patients at that point; of course, April 5 has already happened, and New York announced that it had 16,479 people being hospitalized, including 4,376 ICU patients — i.e., the model was about a third off on the day it was published.”

And the Imperial College models?




We crashed the entire economy for bad guesswork. Any particular reason to use models in determining Public Health policy again?

 

Or, it was indeed a planned event.

 

The Fake Science is always a hoax. Fake Science was used to sell the economic lockdown and to justify denying access to the only effective available treatment to tens if not hundreds of thousands of patients infected with the Wuhan Virus.

The recent retractions and apologies cannot bring back the victims of this mass killing.

"Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reports and public media, and outpatient trials results are not expected until September. Early outpatient illness is very different than later hospitalized florid disease and the treatments differ. Evidence about use of hydroxychloroquine alone, or of hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin in inpatients, is irrelevant concerning efficacy of the pair in early high-risk outpatient disease.

Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe."
AMERICAN JOURNAL OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis, By Harvey A Risch, American Journal of Epidemiology, kwaa093, https://doi.org/10.1093/aje/kwaa093, Published: 27 May 2020.
https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586

 

Which means the actual number of deaths in the US from Covid, which we now know is extremely difficult to pass asymptomatically, is somewhere in the range of the same number of flu deaths every year, with the same people (extremely old/extremely ill) being affected.

This one doesn't even affect kids like the flu does.

The models, the media coverage, then entire response to this is one big hoax.

 

Which means planning went into getting it out of China. Why?

 

Four years ago suggesting the Obama administration created the Russian collusion hoax was laughed at as well.

They're not laughing now.

Same thing with these riots. They're clearly organized and funded.

 

If you counted Flu Deaths in the same way that covid-19 deaths were counted, then the single deadliest year from the flu killed around 15,500 Americans.

 

Double-standards abound on both sides of the political aisle.

But this... this is truly mind blowing levels of hypocrisy. If someone was this big of a hypocrite outside of a political context, that person would be viewed as mentally ill.

 

This was a novel virus that reacted to behavior of millions of people in the future. The models were built on incomplete information trying to predict human behavior which is difficult in the best of times. But here's the thing about the "bad guesswork" here that affected the policy, I will always take the over-reaction to the under reaction when it comes to public health.

As for why we should rely on models in the future, this should count:

Lockdowns worked, new research finds. Scientists estimate coronavirus measures stopped at least 60 million infections in the US and 3 million deaths in Europe.

 

Even the Republicans support the protests.
It's a shame they don't have a poll for just the Trumpers, but they are probably just the Republicans that don't support them.