CDC director says over 75% of covid deaths were people with “at least four comorbidities”

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  1. clennan

    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it's not worse. Your bolded part explains exactly why her comments have been misrepresented - it is the missing context - and that context shows how HIGHLY EFFECTIVE vaccination is. How? Because it shows that she is talking about the 0.0033% of vaccinated people who died, and it is these people that the 75% refers to (75% of 0.003%). Her point being, that the vast majority (the percent is actually 77.8%) of this very small number of deaths among the vaccinated occurred in people who were already quite sick.
    No, they're not.

    (a) See above

    (b) From the same data set she is referring to, out of 1,228,664 vaccinated people
    • 2,246 developed COVID-19 (0.18%)
    • 189 had a severe outcome (0.015%)
    • 36 died (0.003%)
    (c) Latest rates of death per CDC
    • Fully vaccinated - 0.47 per 100,00
    • Unaccented - 9.20 per 100,000
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
     
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    If you cared about the deaths of these vaccinated (and unvaccinated) people you would advocate for the many other lifestyle choices beyond vaccination available to all. You would advocate for lifestyle choices that would have made vaccination more effective for these dead vaccinated individuals.

    It is truly sad death and sickness are acceptable as long as the dead or sick person is vaccinated.
     
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    That is a lie.
    It cannot be true because numbers do not add up.
    People are dying at the same rate, regardless of vaccination status.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-cases-daily

    if vaccines provide any help we should see decline in the average death rate, since 90% of people in the high risk group are vaccinated.
     
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    ~ Sadly this "vaccine " is not - as it does not provide immunity.
    For some bizarre reason there are a group of " believers " obsessed with Covid hype who insist that all ignore what is happening before our very eyes ...
    Fauci fiction :bonk:' `:disbelief: Facts
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Do not worry. If you are correct only "the whackadoodle anti-vaxx nutbag crowd death cult" will die of Covid-19. All the vaccine/mask cultists will live on to reproduce and prosper as they are protected by Fauci/CDC/FDA " science". :nod: :hippie:
     
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    Your opinion that it’s all lies is based on your weird and wacky “methodology” of casting your eye over a Worldometers chart, saying it’s all stayed the same, and therefore - proof positive! - the vaccine doesn’t work. LOL

    Compounding the seriously unscientific nature of your “analysis” you also confuse rates and numbers. Daily death numbers are not “rates”. They are numbers. Numbers cannot speak to the efficacy of the vaccine because they lack context.

    Context might be the overall population, the population of vaccinated or unvaccinated, or cases. Any of these would enable you to calculate rates, as in the rates I have given you, providing a valid basis for comparison. If you fail to do this, the numbers are just numbers.

    Now, as the context of vaccinated and unvaccinated populations is unpalatable to you because it renders up lower a lower death rate for the vaccinated, which runs counter to your chosen narrative, I have no doubt at all that for context you’ll prefer to cast a cursory eye (per your methodology) over the daily cases chart, declare that the ‘average’ of those hasn’t changed either, and that therefore your conclusion that the vaccine makes no difference is indeed correct.

    Overlooking your bizarre long-term averages - the norm is a rolling 7-day average, for reasons which I’m sure you’ll fail to grasp - and overlooking the fact that the number of cases can be confounded somewhat by testing rates, would your conclusion be in fact correct?

    No, it would not.

    Here's how deaths per cases works out:

    Deaths from the start of the pandemic to the eve of the vaccine rollout = 1.9% of cases.

    Deaths after the Dec 14 vaccine rollout to yesterday = 1% of cases - 47% lower than before the vaccine.

    Allowing 6 months for meaningful proportions of the population to be vaccinated, deaths from June 14 to date = 0.7% of cases - 63% lower than before the vaccine.

    Deaths from Sep 14 to yesterday = 0.6% of cases - 68% lower than before the vaccine.
     
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    ~ The "vaccine " does indeed work - as a therapeutic. Hence the necessary for repeated doses.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I see you got the memo from Alex Berensen lol.

    Regardless, what you choose to call it doesn't change what it does.
     
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    That is a "fuzzy math" i.e. substitute for a lie.
    Reality is
    2020 (no vaccine) - 385,467 deaths
    2021 (~80% of vaccinated) - 455,714

    Zero effect of vaccination.

    And actual rollout started in February March of 2021 not in December 2020
     
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    Ah, so you don't like the perfectly SOLID and irrefutable rates I just provided.

    So, you remove the context (cases), change the vaccine roll-out date to the wrong date, cite an incorrect vaccination rate, and then apply that rate to almost the entire year so that according to you 80% of the country was vaccinated from Day 1 of the roll-out LOL. And do so for no purpose - in stats, context is a number not a percentage, used as a denominator to calculate a rate, not just something written down in brackets. Then, you tot up deaths for 2020 and 2021 and cite the totals with no context at all, so that all you have is two numbers that mean absolutely nothing. Double LOL.

    And... you have the cheek to say I do "fuzzy math". Triple LOL.

    Long story short. You can't rebut my post.

    Note the start date:
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    ~ Fact is more are being infected and more are dead since the "vaccine " has been widely mandated. A failure in grand proportions ...
    Could masks be a contributing factor ? More surprises to come ... :wierdface:
     
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    Come on, man, it is fuzzy math.
    If vaccines provide any help we should see the moving average of COVID deaths to come down to the end of the year, because number of vaccinated had been increasing steadily.
    It did not happen. People were dying on average about 1100 per day (USA). that is all we need to know. Totalitarian vaccination had ZERO effect on the COVID pandemic.
     
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    So have we parsed out the data then of people who died WITH covid versus people who died BECAUSE of covid?
     
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    ~ Probably mixed together ... :rip:
     
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    Lol I'd imagine that as well. I mean why have accurate damn data when you can just mix wm all together and fudge the narrative?

    What could go wrong? It's not like we haven't ****ed the economy or anything
     
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    No. It is not all you need to know. It’s all you want to know.

    First, some stats 101. The purpose of “moving averages” is to determine current trends - are things moving up or down at this point in time? That’s why they’re called “moving” averages, and that’s why they cover the last 7 days. Your so-called moving average, covering an entire year, lol, doesn’t move at all. It’s a flat line. So please, for the umpteenth time, cease and desist from calling your average a “moving” average.

    Second, deaths go up and down with cases - all through the year. Up down, up down, up down. If they happen to be up at the end of the year, so what? If there’s a big spike in cases at the end of the year, we would expect the number of deaths to be up too. Does this mean the vaccine doesn’t work? Of course not.

    To answer that question you would need to put the number of deaths in context. Again, numbers without context are meaningless. This applies to your average too. It’s just a number, and a number without context is meaningless.

    And that’s what you’re studiously avoiding - context. Why? Because numbers in context produce rates that contradict your narrative.

    So, I’ll make it easy for you by putting your total death numbers in context, by using cases as the denominator. Bear in mind that the end result will be the least favorable to vaccines, because cases include both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, and for much of 2021 large proportions of the population were unvaccinated - even now, only 64% are fully vaccinated.

    2020
    Cases - 20,144,329
    Deaths - 385,367 = 1.9% of cases

    2021
    Cases - 34,695,449
    Deaths - 455,714 = 1.3% = 32% lower than 2020

    See? The number of deaths is higher but context informs us that the percentage of cases resulting in death is LOWER. The death rate has FALLEN.

    As you’re so fond of daily averages for the entire year we can do that too.

    2020
    Cases - 55,190
    Deaths - 1,056 = 1.9%

    2021
    Cases - 95,056
    Deaths - 1,249 = 1.3% = 32% lower than 2020

    See? The number of average daily deaths is higher in 2021, but context informs us that the percentage of cases resulting in death is LOWER. The death rate has FALLEN.
     
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    ~ Even countries that have very close to 100% vaccinated — Gibraltor, Ireland, Singapore or Israel, for example — are seeing huge outbreaks of covid. That is because it is very common to get covid if you are vaccinated. Vaccinated people can also spread covid because this vaccine gives no immunity.
    Yet some insist "It's all good " . . . :hmm:'
     
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    None of which negates its impact in terms of severity and death.
     
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    ~ At this point we do not know. So far it seems a total failure. This anomaly will burn itself out naturally as expected .
    Side-effects are creeping into doctors offices and ignored by Fauci, CDC and media. The vaccinated are being duped.
     
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    Yes, we do know. Rates for both hospitalizations and deaths are far lower for the vaccinated than unvaccinated.

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    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination

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    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
     
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    Maybe they are the ones that should be masked at all times while out of their houses, and they can get into any open to the public space without a very recent Covid test.
     
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    Could be, but more likely ignorance, stupidity or partisan politics.
    No immunity? None? Wow, that seems somewhat misleading. Do you have a link to the source of that information?
     
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    ~ Start with CDC .
     
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    So no link then.
     
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    ~ If you don't follow the latest CDC spin machine I don't blame you. The government and international health agencies have not been forthcoming about anything because there is much they don't know and obviously another agenda is at play. Many unexpected things are happening , and more surprises in the future.
     

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