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  1. Bowerbird

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    Possibly because I don’t always bother to read your posts
     
  2. Bowerbird

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    Yeah! Amazes me how you will defend the likes of the Koch Brothers
     
  3. Bowerbird

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    Oh! Oh! You poor poor……..shakes head
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8157593/
    https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/9/5/603?uid=563b4f0a2a

    And I am not even beginning to touch on microplastics
     
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    I'm not aware of any part of this discussion involving the Koch brothers.
     
  6. Bowerbird

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    Thanks for the demonstration that you are unable to recognise peer reviewed research
     
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    The likes of the Koch bros. They are just an example of those who put personal greed above planetary good
     
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    Then I can discern no meaning in your post. To what greed do you refer?
     
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    The words “could” and “may” indicate speculation.
     
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  10. Bowerbird

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    And where were they used? And I am asking for specifics please as I acknowledge in both research papers they leave room for further research - this is standard in all research but does not diminish the findings
     
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    Now this is close to a troll https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/climate-deniers/koch-industries/
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/dail...ade-their-fortune-and-the-influence-it-bought

    https://blog.ucsusa.org/elliott-neg...t-his-climate-change-disinformation-campaign/

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/27/climate-crisis-villains-americas-dirty-dozen

    The trouble with relying on denialist websites is that they don’t always give you “the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth”. As you can see I used a variety of sources and there were way more out there
     
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    Sorry, but you seem to have been duped into believing in made-up boogeymen.
     
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    Occam’s Razor mate

    Either what I posted is incorrect and all these oil execs and the Koch brothers are a above reproach or a plethora of journalists in a multitude of outlets from countries across the globe are somehow wrong and I do realise I am talking to someone who would rather believe a couple of discredited internet blogs over thousands of scientists from diverse countries world wide
     
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    What you posted included much speculation and dark innuendo but hardly any evidence. Your belief is fundamentally a conspiracy theory.

    And what you call discredited internet blogs are in fact excellent aggregators of the peer-reviewed research you claim to follow.
     
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  15. Bowerbird

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    Aaaannnndddd all those journalists from reputed outlets across the globe are wrong but you are right? Remember these are “big boys”and they can take the news outlets to court if the facts are in error.

    https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/figh...sis/exxons-climate-denial-history-a-timeline/
    and wouldn’t they love to bankrupt Greenpeace

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_denial

    There is documentation alright - tons and tons of it - but you actually have to read what I post to see it
     
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    More evidence

    https://www.nrdc.org/stories/lies-koch-brothers-tell
     
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    Exxon published and/or shared with the IPCC all their climate research. The reason no lawsuit against Exxon has been successful is that their research was open and their public statements were consistent with IPCC positions.
     
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    Thieve reports are not speculation they are reputed sources linking to facts but you aren’t bothering to read them are you? I KNOW this because your answers are too fast to be a considered response. It takes more than 60 seconds to review a link and click on the associated embedded material
     
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    Expand further please with links and not just speculation. BTW I have provided multiple links from a wide variety of sources
     
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    The NRDC piece is ten years old. I read it when it was new. It’s a mere propaganda site, btw. A conspiracy theory is right down their alley.
     
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    Is it? Well I have provided a number of other varied sites
     
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    No better — sort of a rogues’ gallery of propagandists.
     
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    Reuters? BBC? The Guardian? They all had much the same information - at this point I am declaring a “Brandolini” as it appears I am doing all the work

    Bye!
     

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