Children will win the fight for same sex marriage and adoption by gays!

You're not left with a choice ? Are that weak minded that you cant make a choice? You're just making up excuses to oppose gay rights. I will add our assertion that gays don't care about the children is stupid and offensive

 

How about when the anti-gay crowd uses the excuse that it will pervert children's minds? Oh I'm sure you were ALL over Christians saying that weren't you? Oh wait, can't find a post where you were. Seems you are just upset that the truth is coming out.

When the excuse of "We shouldn't allow it because GOD says we can't", you're damn right people are going to blow that theory out of the water. Save your faux outrage for one of your anti-gay buddies and maybe they will buy the (*)(*)(*)(*) your selling.

Right because when the anti-gay crowd was spreading mis-information and lies about how gays want to just turn children gay or that gays would pervert children, that was ok in your mind. Again, where were you when Christians were saying those things? Hiding in a closet?

Hey hypocrite, you weren't a supporter to begin with.

And lastly BIG FONT DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING!!!!

 

I'm confused

you use the term "anti-gay" when the topic is "pro-child"

if that means that whenever possible, children are kept with heterosexuals then that is what it means. It's not anti anything

 

Did you have sex in front of your children? If not why would you think gay people would?

 

Yes, it is anti-gay because gay parents can raise a child just as well. Sorry you hate the truth of your anti-gay stance sec. Not my problem. I've seen gays raise children just fine from personal experience.

 

huh?

I fully support 2 men heading into a bedroom, getting it on and conceiving their own child.

I do not believe anyone has any business trying to stop that.

 

It's not your business to define that a gay person can't raise a child, born or adopted, they can and luckily DO despite your anti-gay stance. I'm glad I know several gay people who have raised children you would have chosen they couldn't.

your anti-gay stance is noted and is truthful.

 

Lawmaker And Christian School Owner 'Rehomes' Adopted 6 Year Old To Man Who Then Rapes Her

No gays in this story http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...ted_6_year_old_to_employee_who_then_rapes_her

 

Bigotry is the cancer of the soul and I believe bigots should not be allowed to live with children. Where do I sign up to make that stop.

 

what on earth are you going on about? One more time

I completely and fully support 2 men to go into their bedroom, engage in gay sex, conceive a child as a result of it and then raise that child.

Do you not support that? There is nothing anti-gay about that

 

Nobody is being forced.

 

In The
Supreme Court of the United States
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APRIL DEBOER, et al.,
Petitioners,
v.
RICHARD SNYDER, et al.,
Respondents.
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On Writ Of Certiorari To The
United States Court Of Appeals
For The Sixth Circuit
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BRIEF FOR PETITIONERS http://www.supremecourt.gov/ObergefellHodges/PartyBriefs/14-571_Brief_Of_DeBoer.pdf

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Now, those of you who are against same sex marriage and adoption by gays, tell us again how much you care about the children

 

Oh, knock it off. You and I both know that you're being dishonest. Your not even being clever about it, you're just invoking the nature fallacy.

 

Maybe because you post the same nonsense all the time.

None of your business if someone chooses not to procreate.

Why?

Why?

You are obsessed with sex in general and gay sex in particular. Perhaps you shouldn't be around children.

Sexual orientation is inborn by all measure that are possible to judge. Looking for medical proof is like looking for medical proof the left handedness is in born.

And some people believe aliens built the pyramids but that doesn't make it true.

You are an insulting poster all the time. You reduce people to the way they have sex. It is actually pathetic and I and others worry about your mental health when we see you post. We can help you get the help you need.

 

In general it is rather hard to ascertain whether why someone wants to parent a child. Some folks want a child to fill an emotional void. Some want to parent to make a partner happy, or their own parent happy, or to solidify a rocky relationship, or to produce an heir, or to increase social status, or for any number of reasons. Very often such a decision involves more than one reason, and the reasons to parent morph and change as one moves from the abstract idea of parenting to the parenting of this baby, this child Its amazing how many self-centered or agenda-driven reasons to parent someone, become a very selfless reason to love and parent Susan, or Alicia or Philip, or Alex. Gays do not 'use' children any more than straights 'use' children. LOL mostly because kids have a way of completely altering most self centered dynamics once they come along.

We really don't want to do polygraphs on perspective gay or straight parents to measure the sincerity and selflessness of their stated reasons to become fathers and mothers. We won't like what those little wiggly lines tell examiners and it all becomes moot about three months after the first diaper gets changed, the spit-up lands on the shirt, and the baby learns to smile and coo when Mom or Dad reaches down.

 

This is one of the more humble posts I've seen in this thread and appeals to our sense of reasoning. So kudos for that.
I just can't get past the part i highlighted though.

A man and woman can conceive, since that is a natural by-product of their union.
Science has come a far way to allow for such a couple to overcome obstacles such as medical abnormalities that would otherwise prevent them from conceiving.

Same sex couple on the other hand have no way of conceiving a child naturally.
They gain children through artificial means.
Notice how this is not the same as using medicine to assist with abnormalities, this is science to pervert the course of nature itself.

Bottom line, with enough money, the homosexual couple can pay their way into parenthood by buying their child when there was no natural reason for them to have in the first place.

Who then is using children?

 

you got it ass backwards. You have made a case for gays 'using' science, or you have made a case for gays 'using' money. You have not made a case for gays using a child. I suppose I can talk about men 'using' a woman's vagina, or women 'using' a man's sperm or maybe science and money depending on if it was planned or an accident and how much help was needed but I am not talking about anyone using the kid as long as we are focused on the how, not the why. Second, you can't confuse the wanting to parent,. with using a child unless you know the 'why' and and how the 'why' influences behavior or choices. Third , you can't confuse using the idea of a child, with using the child once it arrives. That is part of what I was talking about above.

 

There is no medical "proof" or "test" for Parkinson's Disease. Do you mean to suggest that because of that, that those who have Parkinson's do so by choice?

 

"Christians" and their faith (or lack thereof) have NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING to do with how we make laws in this country. You may not like it, indeed I'd opine that's obvious, but it is nonetheless the reality. Sorry.

 

How is this any different than two heterosexual people doing this when they can't have children of their own?

Is that a perversion as well?

 

Is this supposed to be an argument against same sex marriage and/or adoption by gay people? Are children who are conceived by other than by heterosexual couples less worthy of the legal protections and economic advantages of having two married parents? What about all of the children that are already in the care of gay people? Many of those gay people are biological parents. Gay people provide a valuable resource for children. You need to think about your suggestion that gay people are using children.

 

A poster before mentioned using children for an agenda and that line started to gain some traction.
It is an angle worth considering though.
Homosexuals on their own have no ability to produce children.
They enter into relationships knowing this.
Yet they want children... but why? The status quo has already been set by nature itself.
Yet they are intent to defy what would have not naturally been possible from the get go.
What rationale exists for this?

The answer to this could put the case to rest.

You have a propensity for these leading questions. The children did not choose there circumstance, they are the by-product of the will of their parents. Some conceived the way how nature intended and brought about by circumventing nature. However the case, its not their fault and neither should be denied their opportunities to pave their own way.

Again I question the motives of the parents, knowing the status quo the homosexual couple still wants children.
It begs the question are children in their care merely a function of what they want?

Biological how? As in when a homosexual was part of a heterosexual relationship and conception happened?
Somebody was being deceived / untruthful. I don't see how that helps your argument.

You need to think about some of the things you are saying yourself.
What's up with that part in red? Was it an impulse response.
Parenting is parenting. Whether it is 2 homosexuals or 2 heterosexuals.
But then you make a statement saying gay people provide a valuable resource for children.
Up to now I never though of this angle, so please elaborate on that part.

 

This is just more of the same idiotic equine excrement that you have been spewing on the Dolce and Gabbana thread. In fact it would appear that you have copied and pasted much of it.

You continue to moronically and offensively question how and why gay people have children and still avoid the question of your position on same sex marriage and gay parenting. On that other thread you avoided that question by accusing me of going off topic. You were wrong then but here you have no case for that charge whatsoever.

It continues to be apparent that you do not have the intestinal fortitude, integrity or intellectual capacity to clearly state your position on that subject and defend it. Rather, you hide behind convoluted, bizarre and idiotic assumptions about gay people and construct artificial distinctions between what is natural and what is not and who can reproduce and who cannot.

As I said before, I believe that what you really want to say is that gays should not be allowed to marry OR to have children, but you don't have the guts to actually say that. Prove me wrong.

Now read the OP and respond to it with whatever amount of intellect and rational thought you can muster. Show some sign that you have some capacity for honesty and some ability to make some sense. Try to demonstrate that you have some capacity to understand the complex social and legal issues that we are faced with. Try to show that you have some understanding of the complexities of human sexuality which seems to also be sorely lacking. Go. Do it!

 

I read all of this... and in it I was searching for the answer to my questions.
In all of 5 paragraphs you still did not answer any of my questions.

Here is what you did do though....
You did go off topic in the Dolce and Gabana thread, because neither the D&G quote nor the Elton John response even hinted at gay marriage.
You did resort to insulting me instead of answering my questions.

You say i need to understand the complex social and legal issues that are brought about by your thread
I say you need to answer a simple fundamental question before posing as the authority on complex social and legal issues

Now will you answer my question so that I can see the rationale that gay people are working from?
Or will you continue to deflect and insult?

Over to you

 

Thank you for confirming what I already knew. You do not have the guts or the integrity to honestly and clearly state your position with regards to law and policy -on same sex marriage and parenting by gays....despite the fact that this thread is precisely about that.


In addition you are unable to formulate a logical argument to support what the hell it is that you believe. Rather, you question the motives of gays for wanting children, make bizarre, idiotic and hateful assertions about them such as they do not have the same parenting instincts and that they should be content to not having children because to do so is not natural.

I can only conclude that you do not believe that gays should be allowed to marry or to even have children. You are exposed for what you are. May work is done here