Children will win the fight for same sex marriage and adoption by gays!

Insult >>>> Deflect >>>> Retire
It seems we are at an impasse.
que sera sera

 

Impasse ??

I call it a victory......my victory.

 

You're looking at this whole issue in a backwards manner.

Same sex oriented people get children from all the same sources.

We're not going to be taking these children away on the grounds of their parent's sexual orientation. In fact, we allow single individuals (including those who are same sex oriented) to adopt children, and have done so even in cases where the state doesn't allow same sex marriage. That should be no surprise - children need parents.

So, you need to start with the fact that those who want children will have them.


From there, you need to recognize that marriage is a stabilizing factor. Preventing parents from being married is NOT a benefit to children.

 

Thank you. I assume that was directed at moneystack

 

Oh DAMN - yes, obviously.

I'll try to take better aim. I promise!

 

For those of you who bloviate about how children need a mom and a dad, as a reason to be against same sex marriage, here is a solution for you. Do you support it and if not, why?

 

so you are arguing that straight sex is fine gay sex is icky?

 

When it's a hetero couple, it "parenting" When it's a gay couple, doing the exact same thing, it's "exposure to gay sex" That is pretty moronic. As a child protective services investigator, I came across plenty of instances where children were inappropriately exposed to heterosexual sex"

 

Maybe we can make some money by taking bets on which one crokes first. My money is on McCain.

 

Has it ever occurred to gay people to ask the CHILDREN what they think?

I guess it would be difficult to find a child that hasn't been swayed to support gay marriage by the media.

But I know for sure that all children...ALL... want a loving mother and father!

No child wants to be raised by 2 mommies or 2 daddies. No child wants to be raised by a mom and a grandmother, or by a single parent or by an older brother or sister.

Thing's happen though and some circumstances can't be avoided. By no child is dreaming of being raised in a home with 2 dad's or two moms. All children want to connect with one loving male parent and one loving female parent. They want and NEED love from both sexes, especially if they are heterosexuals. They need to learn how to navigate in a relationship with the opposite sex. No gay relationships and straight ones are NOT the same thing. If they were, why isnt everyone bisexual?

Ask any child of divorce or of a widow/er. They don't dream of the day mom finds another woman to marry. They dream of having a cool step dad, unless their father is male then they hope for a nice step mother.

I was raised by two women. A mother and daughter. I loved both my parents but I always wanted a father in my life. All children are like that. It's nature.

I wanted a masculine figure in my life. I already had two feminine. How could I know what masculinity was even about? My father and mother divorced before I was potty trained. And I never once felt like "Gee, I need another woman in my life!" Though I loved my mother and granny dearly!

Gays, this push to get your hands on children is selfishness. You are not putting the child's best interest at heart. In your heart is the idea of VALIDITY. Children are the only concrete object not accessible to you in your marriages, that's why you want them.

That and you were not born gay. If you were born gay, why do you crave raising children? Gay couples cannot create children so if you were born gay why do you crave having children.

Why, because you were not born to be gay. You were born to procreate just like the rest of us. You have the sexual organs to prove that. If you were born gay (as a man) why do you ejaculate semen? If you are a lesbian why do you have a ovaries, fallopian tunes and that hole between your legs? These are completely useless to homosexuals. These are for MAKING BABIES. You were born to procreate your own children, not take them from heteros.

And isn't it a little strange that you have to take children from heterosexuals? What happens when the demand for children surpasses the supply? Where will you get children from then?

Already I heard there is a deficit of children to adopt and that gays are using their economic wealth to encourage the taking away of children from some economically disadvantaged biological parents.

So how fair is that? Why are you using heterosexuals to supply your children. How is this equality? If it's all about equality, make your own babies and stop having heterosexuas breed for you.

Or just ask the children themselves. Would you rather have a mommy and a daddy, or a gay couple...

http://englishmanif.blogspot.com/search?q=same-sex+parenting

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/04/on_gay_adoption_se_cupp_is_out_to_lunch.html

 

That is quite a homophobic and bigoted rant dude. I don't even know where to begin as far as sorting out all of the lies, and distortions that you seem to just bloviate off of the top of your head. I'm not going to waist my time even trying because you do not seem like a reasonable and rational person who want to be educated on the subject. I don't suppose that you actually read the OP? It seems like this was just a reflexive response to the tittle. Good day

 

First, I am not a dude, dude. What form of bigotry is this that you just assumed that?

Second, I care nothing for your silly accusation of "bigotry". I know you only say this because there is nothing else you can say.

Go ahead tell me how i am wrong. Perhaps I am misguided. Explain to me how gay people were born to be gay, yet have the same exact sex organs of heterosexuals.

I was born straight. I have evidence of this. Its called a womb and a vagina. They are built to work together with male sex organs to create life.

Where is the physical evidence of someone who is born gay? WHERE? What is it? Elongated eyelashes?

You have absolutely no rebuttle for the FACTS i just laid. None. There is no refuting it. And I dispise how gay activist brush off the opinions of children! The very people you are trying to use for your agenda! I was raised with two women, no they were not gay lovers but what difference does that make? But I shouldn't be listened too right? Because my opinion doesn't make gays happy. All children want a mother and father. Truthfully all deserve that. It's a sad world though and things happen. But don't pretend gay adoption is in the best interest of the child. Its only in the best interest of gay adults. That's all you care about, not the children.

So if telling the OBVIOUS, UNDENIABLE, ETERNAL, UNCHANGING TRUTH is bigotry, then this bigotry is a wonderful thing. I am very bigoted against people who are trying to use babies to further their own selfish agenda. No child wants to have 2 mommies or 2 daddies. I agree with the OP and I'm not saying gays should NEVER adopt, but it should be an absolute last resort. The only time a gay couple should have first preference is if, of course, one of the parents is biological. Then of course if his or her lover wants to adopt the child then so be it.

 

Also I see you happily ignored the links I posted.

Like I said, why not ask the children what they think? What they want. Do you not care? Or are you actually scared to find out you may be wrong?

This link was especially good http://englishmanif.blogspot.com/search?q=same-sex+parenting

It has links to other articles written by children raised in gay/lesbian households who are now AGAINST gay marriage and gay adoptions.

There is more then one side to this story and I am tired of gays absolutely insisting that their POV is the only one and shaming anyone who doesn't agree with them. Are you going to shame the children now for wanting what is absolutely natural for them to want? They were actually born that way...

 

You're right. I don't have a rebuttal because your rants are so bizarre and irrational that I don't know where to begin. It matters little, really. Most people are on board with marriage equality and gay parenting. So calm down and read this if you dare, but I don't think that you will because you seem to be too invested in your hate:

And this..

 

Here is just one example of a kid raised by a gay couple who disagrees with that nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ

 

This thread reminds me of this PSA, which is aimed at those who are gullible enough to associate failure to recycle with child neglect. Similarly, children are no more than a prop for the OP and others who are all in with the despicable "gay marriage" agenda.

 

Okay, I will. Can I ask you?

Would you have rather been born or not born?

Explain.

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All the bogeyman around you, it's a wonder you find time to post.

 

Utterly Hilarious. The idea that a man could be BORN to have anal sex with other men is a completely rational idea to you. To you that makes perfect sense.

But the idea that a child who can ONLY be born from a man and a woman, actually needs that man and woman in his/her life...well that is just bizarre crazy talk!!

The idea that God (or whatever entity you prefer) created people to be GAY is a rational idea to you.

But the COMMON SENSE NOTION that if he intended for people to be gay he would NOT have given them the desire to do what is not possible for gay couples to do...

Well, that just blew your mind didnt it?

If God (or whatever entity you prefer) wanted people to be gay and raise families in that sort of dynamic he would have made it possible for 2 men or 2 women to make babies together. It's as simple as that. They cant. It was never God's intention for them to do so.

I hear theistic gays say all the time "God made me gay!" and all i think is "hell in a handbasket for you then."

But if he did make you to be gay then fine. But he certainetly did not want gays to be parents, because if he did he would have given them the ability to do so. Simple as that jack!

If you crave having children you crave heterosexual sex because heterosexual sex is the only way babies can be made. How much clearer can things be?

No God created gays to take children from straights. That is what gays themselves decided to do. God did not create one type of human to breed for another type.

Furthermore, heterosexuals can only breed heterosexuals. A tiger is not going to give birth to a whale. How can one species create children for another?

They cant. Being gay is a choice. No one is born gay. That would mean heterosexuals are giving birth to a species other then their own.


You want to be gay, be gay. Be happy and free. But understand you are making a choice. You are choosing sex over true love(in a family). Lots of straight people make the same foolish choice, it's not limited to gay people. But what I detest about gay people is they MUST force the rest of us to restructure our entire way of life, our families and the way we raise our families, all so they can have it both ways which even straight people can't have.

If a woman is a slut, then she's a slut. But once she gets pregnant she knows she has a responsibility to change her lifestyle around. She should marry the child's father if at all possible or at least try to find another man who can help her raise her child as the step father.

That is what would be best for the child. Not always possible. Plenty of single mom's do a fine job on their own. But they all know that would be the best option to give their kid the best chance at success in life.

Gays? They know deep down that having another parent of the opposite sex is whats best for that child. Do they care? If a lesbian gets pregnant (I don't know, divine insemination I guess?) is she going out looking for a man to help her raise her child?

Well yes, a few might. There are some noble gays out there. But most wont. Same thing goes for the men. Hell, isn't the problem with the men that they keep leaving women and family to go off with their gay lover?

No sweetiest, you made your choice. 2 gay men can do an ok job of raising children together but they will never be as good as a really good man/woman couple. Sorry.

Lesbian couples do a little better at raising children. That study you posted

I believe I read that review. Did you know most of that 71% are LESBIANS? There is suspiciously little information about what happened in the gay male homes.

Also that article and study is flawed in so many ways it's ridiculous. But I won't disect it now. Because the point is even though children do better in lesbian households they STILL are not going to be quite as good as a loving man/female couple.

But knowing those facts are you now going to advocate for lesbian only adoption or jump on the lesbians coat tails for gay males? That's exactly what happened with the feminist movement. Gay males happily jumped on the feminist coat tails and let them fight the Battle for gay males and now that feminism is under attack...low and behold...gay males are at the helm of that attack! That's loyalty for you...


How far does the stupidity have to go? I'm sure gays are willing to take it to Thunder Dome. And while gays are fighting like street fighters for their "rights" it never occurrs to them that if God wanted two vaginas to make a baby together, well, he would have made it so two vaginas can make a baby together.


But if you want babies all that means is not a one of you was born gay. You decided to be gay but still want to express your true nature. Which is that of a normal human which are ALL heterosexual since our species is heterosexual.

Stop trying to drive everyone crazy with your b.s. and leave the poor kids out of it. I'll answer the articles you posted next. That's probably going to be long.

 

Now onto distroying the other nonsense you posted...

Fact: there is no shortage of straight parents willing to adopt. On the contrary there is a shortage of babies for them to adopt!

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2013-01-11-Adoption-options-plummet-as-Russia-closes-its--doors_ST_U.htm

There is a shortage of people willing to adopt OLDER children and siblings. How ever gay couples are not picking up the slack at all. They are as much baby crazy as straight couples, even more so because, of course, they cannot make babies at all, while some straight couples may take on older children since they can create babies themselves and are not filling a psychological need for having a baby. They honestly want children to help them.

Fact: No one is saying a straight married 2 parent house hold is the ONLY acceptable home for children.

They are saying it is the BEST home for children.

Gays of course cannot argue with that, so they have to change the wording to say something that they can better argue with and waste everyone's time with

Oh I love how 3% of the population (gays) are telling the other 97% of us we've been doing it all wrong for thousands of years.

Well golly gee gays, clearly you must all know better. After all if you can't trust the opinions of men in ballet tutu's and breast implants...whose opinion are you gonna trust?

There's so much wrong with this but I don't want to be here all day ripping this apart.

But gays say when they adopt children they will not (try) to turn children gay right? So how can you say that a heterosexual child doesn't need to see an example of a functioning heterosexual relationship in his/her household to have functioning heterosexual relationships when they grow up?

Sure, a child raised in a gay household can eventually find happiness in a heterosexual relationship, but you are making it that much harder for them.

If that tiger gave birth to a whale, could that whale eventually learn how to survive in the ocean when it grew up in the jungle? Yes. But is that going to be an easy transition? No way. If the tiger found the whale and raised it to the best of its ability then good for that Tiger.

But you tigers are going into the ocean, dragging whales out, telling them other whales are useless and unnecessary and then placing that whale on your banner ads for tiger rights so you can be the top creature at the zoo!

Selfishness. Gays and their supporters are full of it!

This is bull crap and just fodder gay rights activist use to make more talking poInts. Straight relationships can be just as bad as gay relationships. Everyone knows that.
There is just a pointlessness to gay relationships. It's pointless if you think about it. One man is the man and the other man is just a stand in woman. Same with the lesbians. So while both straight and gay relationships can be problematic, gay relationships just seem a pointless mimicry of straight relationships, that's why they seem even more unstable.

I already addressed this but to say the sexual orientation of the parents has no effect on the children is such absolute bull****

They think a girl being raised in a home where her mothers are telling her "men are not needed at all" is going to have an easy time finding true love with a man? Or a boy being raised in a home where his gay dads keep telling him women are useless is going to have it easy being a husband to a woman?

They know they are making things a lot harder for these children. They just don't give a damn. It's about the gay couples happiness and THEM having an easy time. They could care less about the heterosexuality of the child, they hate that heterosexuality. It's easy to ignore heterosexuality in children and by the time they are adults the gay couple had already gotten what they wanted. That hetero spawn is on his or her own.

Not relavent to this discussion.

Irrelevant to this discussion. But let's be real...no one is really worried about the lesbians.

Also, IMO, every straight male I've had this discussion with seems adamently opposed to the idea of gays adopting children...particularly boys.

I am not a man so I can only interpret their response to the best of my abilities using what I know about men.

Men are sexual creatures beyond what most of us women can ever imagine. I've seen men do the most stupidest things just to have sex. Lying to adoption agencies to get their hands on children to groom/molest for sex probably isn't the most far out scenerio.

So basically, if straight men are saying hell no, then I say hell no too. I'm sure all gay men are not insane pedophiles. But I don't care if all of you are, too many bad situations have happened already. Enough to not take any chances. Why are we sacrificing children under the motto "they are not all pedophiles!"

So they ALL have to be pedophiles before you stop giving them children?

This is a good one to discuss but honestly I'm tired and I haven't had breakfast yet. I don't find this as important as somemsort the other points but it is something interesting to take into account.

Basically heterosexual society and a lot in it is built around raising a family. Our whole info structure is about family and kids ain't it? Anything that is not for kids is relegated to "Adult" we make special sections for adults, not children and family. Children and family is the default, everything else is "Adult".

The gay lifestyle is not built for children. Think about it, almost every aspect of gay life would be released to the "adult" section. Homosexuality is a selfish lifestyle, it has to forcibly make room for children, it was not built for them.

The books, the television shows, the music, the values. All have to be watered down for the children. This makes the adults upset. They want to see Burt and Ernie kiss and sleep together, not teach kids their a.b.c's.

So what about this is a good environment for children? If we just said Burt and Ernie were gay, did that make gay people happy? Nope. They wanted Burt and Ernie to get married on national tv. Is the marriage helping the children? Nope. Its to make them see gays as positive. Its the gay and the gay alone who wins something. the adulation of children.

When a child sees a straight couple marry or kiss they understand what went into making THEM (love)and what it might be like when they fall in love and make children.

When a child sees a straight couple love each other, they feel good about themselves. Even if their parents are divorced, they know their parents were once like that and that is why they are here.

Perhaps thats why people are naturally revolted when they see two men or women kiss. There is no spark of a life to come there, there is only disease and drama and death with that kiss.

Just my opinion. But it is an educated one.

 

Ah, thanks you so much for reminding me. I forgot to quote this very interesting article from a girl who grew up in a lesbian home:

 

I’m not even going to try to deal with all of this in any sort of comprehensive. It’s just too strange for my blood. I am going to say this though. I have to give you credit. I thought that I had heard every single bizarre ovine excrement theory and argument to justify discrimination, then you came along with something new.

This who business about gay people wanting children as proof that they are not born gay, or not that they are not really gay just blew me away. You actually believe that because to people of the same sex can’t produce a child on their own, that they, as individuals do not have parental instincts and that they as a couple do not have the same desire to have a family is about as ridiculous as it can get. More than that, it insults and demeans every single gay person on earth. After reading that, you lost any and all credibility that you might have had, and it was not much to begin with. God does not want gays to be parents??!! What idiocy!

Oh, and then there is this from you: “Furthermore, heterosexuals can only breed heterosexuals.” Where the hell did all the homosexuals come from!!?? Oh that’s right, they later made a choice. Ya thing the gays in Uganda made a choice to be gay even though they can be jailed or killed for it. Are you serious??!!


And this: “But what I detest about gay people is they MUST force the rest of us to restructure our entire way of life, our families and the way we raise our families, all so they can have it both ways which even straight people can't have.” WHAT the hell does that mean.? How do you have to restructure your life? What reality are you living in?


You seem to have serious a God problem which is clouding your reasoning ability and robbing you of all logic. Please, get over the histrionics and try to use your GOD given brain. We are talking about real people and real lives here. You have no business sitting in judgment and pontificating about what God want. If there is a GOD, you might in for a rude awakening on judgment day when you find out what God really wants, and that is not likely to be bigotry and hatred.

 

Why this existential question? Ill answer because its facinating that youd even ask that in this debate.

gay relationships did not cause any creature on earth to exist(except possible viruses but im sure im pushing my luck with that). So why bring an existence question into a debate about gay adoption?

Maybe you are trying to point to other ways for gays to aquire children besides adoption?

Alright, well the rules are a little different for gay parents if they are the biological parents of course, they have the same rights as any parent but your children will always want to know the other gender parent.

but also to have bio kids you will need someone of the opposite sex, won't you? So the other gender is needed to make the baby and be in his/her life.

Now i know there is some talk about being able to create children with skin cells or something like that in the future. If you're asking would i rather not exist or exist by these means, in all honesty, id rather not exist.

Why?

Why do you ask me questions you know will upset you?

As un-inflammatory as i can make it i do not want to be a test tube baby for the gay rights movement. I would not want to be the poster child for everything that I see as anti-god, anti-nature and anti-family.

 

You tell me why it's an existential question. If a gay person doesn't decide to have a baby than the baby wouldn't exist. If they do than it would. It's as simple as that.

[QUOTE)gay relationships did not cause any creature on earth to exist(except possible viruses but im sure im pushing my luck with that). So why bring an existence question into a debate about gay adoption?[/QUOTE]No relationships ever regardless of sexuality. Only copulation brings children into the world.

Most gay parents don't adopt the children they have.

When the opportunity is rot in an orphanage and foster care or have a parent that loves you, I think any child would choose having a parent. And orphans aren't in high demand.

So the question can only be, "would you prefer to have never been born?" If you are born of a gay person the only other option is not having been born.

The most common way gay people have children.

In every case of gay people having children I have encounter they do.

Yes, I don't believe I ever argued that humans reproduce asexually. Whether that person is in their life or not I don't think has much to do with procreation.

news to me.

Didn't upset me.

A big part of life it's learning to accept things you cannot control. And my parents are something I couldn't control.

My mom and dad weren't perfect or ideal, nothing is. I was dealt some pretty unfair things. But I don't blame my mom and dad.

 

A question for TheLastOmaha

You obviously maintain homosexuality is a choice. HOW do you think anyone would or even could ever CHOOSE gay sex over straight sex? PLEASE explain this, as not one antigay has EVER done, to my knowledge

 

"If God/Nature wanted gays to have babies, they'd be able too," ----MIND BLOWN!!!----

Yes, I understand logic doesn't make sense to you. You can quit reiterating that.

So I see. lol

What about what I said blew you're mind than? Cause you don't seem to get it and just said the opposite.

I didn't say because they were gay they do not have parental instincts. I said the absolute OPPOSITE. I said because they have these parental inclinations/instincts that that is proof they weren't born gay.

My goodness I must have repeated that like 12 times...

And why do you feel you are qualified to speak for every gay person on earth? I believe I read a post where you said you are not even gay yourself, so who gave you the right to speak for all gay people when you are not even a participant in OUR community?

I happen to know a LOT of gay people who agree they were not born gay. WE EXIST and I don't ever remember giveing you the authority to speak for us.

Honey, you never had any credibility with me to begin with. I'm just using you to say what needs to be said so others can stop this foolishness. Please do not over step your importance and think your opinion matters at all.

It's called science. One species cannot give birth to another species. If gays are "born that way" then they are a different species because homosapien reproduce ONLY via heterosexual sex.

Homosexual reproduce in a completely different way. How to define it is peculiar but the basics of it seems to various forms of conversion of heterosexuals. That is how homosexuals reproduce. They cannot sexually reproduce themselves. Even if they have (straight) sexual intercourse there is no guarantee they will have a gay child like them. Chances are greater their child will be heterosexual then homosexual. So what does that tell you?

Like I said there are noble gays out there. Some of us have no problem admitting that "born this way" is a lie and a farce.

But this lie is starting to hurt people and hurt families and hurt the human race as a whole so I, along with other anti-gay gays have finally had enough of the bull****.

Born this way is just a political tool used by homosexuals so they can win court cases for whoever isn't willing to blow them.

There's a lot of different reasons why born this way is a lie. This author whom I believe is either a gay man or a lesbian makes some fantastic points even I never thought of.

http://socialinqueery.com/2013/03/18/no-one-is-born-gay-or-straight-here-are-5-reasons-why/

Broken homes and television.

Yes, it's a choice. A stupid one. Seriously. If having sex with the same gender means that's much to you that you would risk death I'm not to mad at them for cleaning up the gene pool. No kind of sex other then reproductive sex is worth dying for.

Your anger is hilarious btw. Lol

Well for one if your a Christian the gays just hate all of that happy crappy and can have non of that moral stuff.

I can no longer walk down the street or go about my business and if I see gays kissing and a make a yuck face now I'm a homophobe. WTF?!? I hate all forms of PDA. But gays would have my natural reaction to mushy stuff banned because everyone has to accept every gross thing about them, even if you find it gross inn heterosexuals too.

It's like that twilightzone episode with that evil little kid. "You have to think pleasant thoughts, think pleasant thoughts around the gays or they'll send you to the corn fields!"

If you have kids the gays want to teach them that being gay is awesome and a lifestyle option. It is not for my kid.

Gays can only reproduce via methods of conversion. And since gays cant have children in gay relationships, that means that they want to end families genetic linages.

I've got thousands of years of strong genetic make up. My entire family is made up of engineers, artist and revolutionaries. I even have a saint in my family. But gays would have all the youth in my bloodline throw all of that away so they can have another idiot dancing around at pride. Man **** that!

Speaking of pride, all the energy gays put into this gigantic LIE that they were born to do what is completely useless to everyone on earth, they could be putting into REAL, IMPORTANT CAUSES that help everyone on earth!! No just a power grab for "rights" to gross out and annoy everyone with stuff we thought they were supposed to keep "in the bedroom."

Black people are getting killed by police officers in the streets. Women still aren't making as much money as men. Kids are dumber then ever. GMO foods.Wars all over the place. The homeless, jobless, divorce rates, and everything else is bad and you gay rights S***s are trying to make sure two men have the right to **** each other in the *** and get a tax break for it!!!!!!!!

Seriously, WAKE THE HELL UP!!!

Everything else your saying is emotional b.s. and I don't have the time to play tit for tat with you. Ugh! Go read a book, find something important to care about or try to get your man hood back ffs!


You have a nice day. Lol