China Wants Answers From US About Bio Labs in Ukraine

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  1. Bill Carson

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    The Chinese Idiots better should ask Ukrainian authorities for that, not the US.
    But they have to wait for a little until Ukrainians drove Pootin's terror gangs out of their country.
     
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    Biolabs are not under the control of the US military exclusively. AT University of Texas Southwestern, UTSW, a premier medical research and teaching facility, there are two biomedical labs there. All privately owned. In fact, most biolabs, other than the most extreme conditions are owned by private individuals. They do receive federal grants for their research. But federal grant money is not akin to ownership. Are there US government owned biolabs? Yes, through the DoD, Health and Human Services, CDC in Atlanta, and a couple of other agencies. But most are privately owned.

    The US State Department has NOT stated that Russia is using Chemical Warfare. What they did state was that they believe Russia was targeting Ukraine's biolabs for "nafarious reasons." That is a possiblity why Russian military forces are targeting these facilities. State Department did acknowledge, evenually the bombing of the hospital in Iraq in 2005 or 2006. However, in war, there are always the possibiltiy of collateral damage because the weapon system missed, malfunctioned, or a misidentified target. However, the way Russia attacked the hospital in Kyiv was not any of those things considering there was a big hospital logo on the building that even Russian militiary could spot.
     
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    As I stated earlier, Chinese foreign intelligence is very good and they probably have the answers. Their request is more akin to trying to identify what sources we used to obtain the information they requested for their own intelligence operations.
     
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    How do you know? You did not research you just defend the idiot people who did this and Biden and the magic man. Note the dates.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...e-including-salmonella-e-coli-anthrax-plague/
    https://ussanews.com/documents-reveal-us-department-of-defense-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/

    What about this document?

     
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    So why is it not funded by Unicef? Why were these labs funded by the pentagon? We all know what a great humanitarian Obama was. How he was fanatic about the health of white Slavs in Ukraine. That is well known. :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't think so. The yellow boys lag behind our intelligence services for decades. :)
     
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    From my understanding, UNICEF does not fund biomedical research per se, unless it has to do with AIDS/HIV in hard hit areas like certain countries in Africa. UNICEF primary funds projects and research on the following: health, sanitiation and hygiene, nutrition, education, social protection and gender equality. But no biomedical research to my knowledge, or at least, not the type of biomedical research you are thinking of.
     
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    Then you are grossly mistaken.
     
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    I wonder what's driving you anti-Western guys to fight against your country and promote Chinese and Russian totalitarianism?
    The Chinese and Russkies aren't your friends. For them, you're just another useful idiot. :(
     
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    I am not promoting Chinese interests here. Just acknowledging that Chinese Foreign Intelligence Services are very capable of what they are doing. However, whatever their leaders do or not do with that information is the decision of that government. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    There was no election in 2014. It was a blatant coup manufactured by Nuland and with American and German paid protesters from Western Ukraine. This is from George Friedman founder and director of: Stratfor.

    “Russia calls the events that took place at the beginning of this year a coup d’etat organized by the United States. And it truly was the most blatant coup in history.”
    https://newcoldwar.org/stratfor-chiefs-most-blatant-coup-in-history-interview-from-dec-2014/

    What clashes? It was a set up by the neo Nazis from Lviv who came under the guise of attending a sporting event, and had orders to kill the Russian protesters parked outside the Trade Union bldg - which they did and it included children. They were burned alive, and the ones who jumped were hacked to death. There are loads of videos attesting to what happened, yet none of those involved were brought to trial.

    Here are your peaceful demonstrators. The police were set on fiire because Yanukovich refused to give them orders to shoot. Had he given orders to shoot right from the start, none of this would have happened, so let's cut out the garbage.


     
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    You are an American too much :)))

    Excuse me, do you know what is an Ukrainian? :)
    Do you want I give several facts? Absolutely true facts. Because I am an Ukrainian.
     
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    Our intelligence people are worried this is Putin getting ready to use bioweapons against you..
     
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    What is amazing is that Russia is constantly doing nasty crap (like they are doing right now). The Ukrainian people threw Putin's puppet out. He then went running off to Moscow, Ukrainian In Name Only...

    Yes, we got involved but we simply didn't do as much as Putin did.

    And then you top it off by using Russian videos, which is basically a confession that you are using Russia's state propaganda.

    Did I mention Putin is trying to shell Ukraine back to the Stone Age? Some of the conversations I am having here are unbelievably weird.
     
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    Oh please. Even for you that is far fetched. Ukraine was in a severe recession beginning in 2013. Joining the EU, an economic and political organization, would have brought relief to the Ukrainian people and businesses. I think you need to read the whole interview. For starters. Mr. Friendman was acknowledging what Russa was arguing in the quote you provided. He then said, " About three years ago, in one of my books, I predicted that as soon as Russia starts to increase its power and demonstrate it, a crisis would occur in Ukraine." Sounds to me that he was arguing AGAINST Russia, not for it.

    If you read further, he also said this, "Against this background, I do not think the Ukrainian situation (where one part of the country feels pulled toward convergence with the EU, while the other is inclined toward Russia) is something altogether unique. The Ukrainian situation fits into the centrifugal tendencies that we have been already been seeing in Europe for a while now. Indeed, until recently, no one thought that the British-Scottish question, which appeared to have been settled 300 years ago, would suddenly and so urgently resurface. In other words: the Ukrainian crisis is connected with Russia, but not only with Russia. It is also associated with processes in Europe, with the crisis of Europe itself." And then he said this, "he whole thing. After all, the United States openly supported human rights groups in Ukraine, including financially. Meanwhile, Russia’s special services completely missed these trends. They didn’t understand what was taking place, but when they did realize what was going on they were unable to take action to stabilize the situation, and then they misjudged the mood in East Ukraine."

    Are you sure your source you are using supports your hypothesis? According to George Friendman, and his total argument, I would say no.



    Well, the clashes in Odessa between two factions, one is Pro Russian/Putin while the other is Pro EU and Europe. Besides, there were no Neo Nazis. That is Putin's way saying that anyone, and I literally mean anyone, who disagrees with him is a Neo Nazi, including the peaceful protests in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and elsewhere in Russia. They were arrested and charged as supporters of NeoNazism.


    I can probably show footage about pro Russian groups doing the same thing. It's the he said/she said argument. Until there is actual proof and not doctored up videos So I would suggest you provide hard, incotrovertible proof.
     
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    Aha...
     
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    In a fair election where the American people would actually have had a voice, and not just special interest groups, Tulsi Gabbard would have been our president. But we have been deprived of her intelligence, her logic and leadership by those who control Washington.

    Instead look what we got, which says a lot for where we're heading in our let's make black white, and white black in the make believe world of their own doing.
     
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    So there are people on this earth who have not yet mastered sanitation and hygiene? Could you give me examples of where that is?
     
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    No question Tulsi would be a superior president to senile Joe. Of course the discharge from a boil on a baboon's ass would be better.
     
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    That portion of your post I quoted and my response said nothing of this "Great Reset and One World Government" you speak of. Of course, thats why you want to go there now, scurrying about seeking refuge in your next strawman. Your claim that "this is not a war against Ukraine" is what displays your complete detachment from reality.
     
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    She is saying "this is not a war against Ukraine". And I still believe it demonstrates her detachment from reality. Because it is quite clearly a war against Ukraine.
     
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    I dont think the old guy can make it for 3 more years. We would miss his brilliance under President Harris.
     
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    What hypothesis, I merely quoted Friedman as saying that it was a blatant coup in Ukraine and not a democratically held election as you had stated in your post. It was obvious to anyone with an ounce of brains anyway.

    So you're saying that burning protesters that disagree with your anti Russian faction is normal and that to label them as being Neo Nazis is wrong.

    Well of course. If you consider the atrocities and burning as being normal among those who support Western integration, then how can Putin label them as neo Nazis for the crimes they committed and not just arrest them for being Western integrators?
    Since you said the videos were doctored and that they were peaceful demonstrators and not throwing Molotov cocktails at the police - well then who am I to doubt you credibility. I'll leave that to others.
     
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    Yes! And they think of us in 'the West' as idiots because that is EXACTLY how we've behaved ever since "9/11"....
     
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