Chinese Reparations

China arrested doctors to try and silence them from speaking out, there's reports circulating on the difference it would have made if they raised the alarm when they knew about it.... which was literally months before the news came out... and not because they announced it, because they simply couldn't keep it under wraps anymore.

In addition to that their wet markets are a disgrace and now a threat to the entire world with the breeding of dangerous viruses that collapsed economies.... the entire global economy... has that sunk in yet?

 

You think you're contributing? Cute. All you've said is "Dem Mericans!". Yeah, well we Mericans wouldn't be in this situation if not for our favorite overlords in China.

 

It's like one of their governors did that. And, when it came out China fired them for it.

You can not suggest that the local response was China's policy.

Their first cases can be traced to mid November. At that time, they obviouslyl had no tests. And, the symptoms of COVID are by no means unique. So, determing that it was significant, how it was communicated, how cntagious it was, that it is contagious 2 weeks before symptoms, were all unknown.

By mid December there were 60 confirmed cases in China. Doctors who first raised the alarm in mid to late December were harshly opposed for political reasons by the local government.

The first US case was in mid January. We knew about it well enough to identify it before than, obviously.

As for OUR response, Trump declared to CPAC on March 9 than COVID19 was under control in America.

Last Friday, Trish Reagan, Rushbo and others declared COVID19 to be no more tha a political plot against the president. They and Hannity suggested that even Trump's advice should probably just be ignored.

To suggest CHINA's response was worse or more political than our own is just plain preposterous.

If you want to sue someone (or remove those who have been guided by politics rather than medical science) you sure as HELL don't have to go to China.

I hope that sinks in. Becuase both the disease and the political problem is STILL going on here (NOT in China).

 

It was unique enough for doctors in China to raise the alarm... yet the Chinese Communist Party did what they always do and that is suppress free speech. In this case the free speech that could have saved thousands of lives and trillions in lost money from share market collapse as well as business having to close shop.

Scientists could have developed treatment and started on vaccine development months earlier. Imagine what it would have meant if the same treatment that Australia have just developed could have been developed even just 1 month earlier.

 

However, you are BLAMING them.

And, that part is nonsense. They did not make this virus. They did not try to spread it. The worst they can be acused of is losing a month or so due to local political garbage - which China immediately rectified.

Here in the US, our response has been crippled by politics dominating medical science for WAY longer than that. In fact, it's still going on months later.

And, we KNEW we needed to be prepared for a global outbreak of some natural or man made pathogen. Yet, we got rid of those chartered with creating a domestic response - on the grounds that it was too expensive to have some people woking on that.

How expensive is NOT having such a plan?

 

Yes I am blaming them because;

a) their wet markets are responsible for the creation of this virus. for a bat to infect a snake to infect a pangolin to infect a human takes a very unique environment (I stand corrected on all the animals in the chain here) but the point is nowhere else on earth do you find this... other than China's wet markets.
b) their authoritarian oppression of free speech is responsible for trillions lost on share markets and the economy that could have been prevented if we had even just 1 month earlier notice.

 

No, local government slowed reporting - including reporting to the Chinese government. The Chinese government FIXED that.

China is not responsible for "months" of lateness. The primary delays in our approach came AFTER our first case in January 17. WE have delayed more than China.

And, OUR response still includes meia broadcasts saying that COVID is just a plot and that Trump's recommendations should be ignored.

WE are STILL delaying!!

Who should I sue for us still delaying???

 

There's plenty of reports from ordinary citizens in China on how the Chinese government is suppressing free speech. Unfortunately for them this had a direct effect on raising the alarm and enabling scientists to start work on vaccines and treatments... costing the world trillions, many will suffer and especially in developing countries around the world.

 

There's an obvious answer to that but I don't care to get banned.

 

Actually, our response is increasing nationwide lockdowns and quarantining the US Populace at large in our homes. We aren't delaying anything. That's your narrative in the "OMG orange man bad." while ignoring both these civil right violations, as well as Chinese culpability in the international world damage.

 

Their are wet markets all over the world.

China is growing its economy way faster the the US - they are trying like all bloody hell to be as rich as we are, thus having the capacity to solve problems like that.

Blaming them for not being that rich yet is really pretty darn insulting - and doesn't reflect on YOU well, either.

As has been mentioned MANY times now, China fixed the problem of blocking reporting occurring at the local level.

Their Chinese government eliminaated that problem.

When will WE eliminate that problem in the USA???

 

Oh, please. The rules and policing aren't going to stop you from making your case.

 

There are many poor places in the world and not all present a global virus threat... but nicely played, twisting the narrative into... "oh how unfair to the poor"... when in reality I'm blaming the PR Communist party.

Besides you can't have it both ways... China was suppose to be the second largest economy... now you cry poor....I suspect the first is all hype and lies and the second is closer to the truth.

The world is going to want answers from China

 

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I've already pointed out to you how we can't possibly have significant information on how our current policy is working.

And, it is YOU who is opposing Trump. I'm saying we need to follow the policy of social distancing.

YOU are the "orange man bad" guy on this policy. Not me.

 

I saw a wet market in Flushing a while back and one in Philly. You know the fish is fresh when they gut it right in front of you.

 

Actually, I see Trump more of a prisoner of the moment and we're being led by the noses by Pence, Farsi, etc. All of whom with very little disregard for the economy and for the people's rights. Which is why I hope these medical breakthroughs come through.

Becaiuse as it stands, it's those breakthroughs and not the spirit of the people that will restore the Republic.

 

That's not a "wet market", that's a seafood market and even when you catch them live like that, the culinary experts there know how to wash and properly clean it before selling it to you. The Chinese "wet markets" should be more called 'corrupt markets'.

If those operations were in the US, they'd be immediately closed down and SPCA would be right on their asses.

 

How was the bat soup? Or roasted Peacocks, porcupines and pangolins... did you indulge on some rhino horn

 

That is utter nonsense. We got MERS from the ME, Ebola, Dengue, and others from Africa, and others from other places.

You have not found ANY reason to blame the Chinese government on this.

And , you are having a severe math problem.

Our PER CAPITA GDP is 7 to 8 TIMES that of China. They have a large national GDP because they have WAY WAY more people than we do.

And, they aren't better than we are in having a gigantic gap between the rich and the poor.

We have the answers from China. We KNOW they ended their political problem with slow reporting.

What we're going to need answers about is why didn't the USA do FAR better than we have done?

WE botched this. Blaming it on China is ridiculous.

 

I think you meant the FDA. The SPCA has no regulatory power. We depend on the FDA for food regulation.

And, yes - we're rich enough to have an FDA, feed our people, etc.

China isn't.

 

Well I think your post is utter nonsense.... just so we're clear, feeling is mutual

China is wholly and entirely responsible for the Covid19 crisis. Not only because they allowed and caused (with their wet markets & expropriation policies that result in poverty and inequality) the conditions for the virus but because they silenced anyone speaking out on the virus and kept it quiet for months. Wasting valuable time for science and causing a global economic meltdown.

 

Blaming it on Trump is what is ridiculous. I'm out of here this is insane.

 

The federal government of China needs to be rich to set regulatory standards for food? And of course SPCA has no regulatory power, but it would refer to animal control, etc and they'd be arrested. I was referring to ANIMAL ABUSE.

China has clearly not improved an iota in values and humanitarianism, and is not a country we should be doing any business with much less the extent we have.

 

https://www.foodsafetymagazine.com/...-and-best-practices-in-the-global-cold-chain/

Even the world's greatest enemy RUSSIA, has food control. Why are we NOT pressuring China to abide by the international community?

 

Every population eats stuff that other populations see as objectionable.

Have you ever compared midwest quisine to west coast quisine? Or to South Carolina?

Have you tried hagis? Do you like kimchi?

Are you aware of how many places people eat insects - even in hte US, by the way?

And, rhino horn and pangolins are a different problem - ideas about "medicine" that have NOTHING to do with science. And, we have that problem here, too.

Trump selected PENCE as point person on COVID.

But, Pence doesn't believe in science!! His HIV approach in his own state was based on antiscience. He has stated that there is no medical downside from smoking. He opposes evolution (which caused COVID). He doesn't accept climate change. His initial response to medicine based calls for needle exchange was to say that people need to PRAY!!

Pence was a direct cause of lives lost in Indiana because of his rejection of science. Now, he's supposedly in charge of COVID - where our actions must have firm grounding in SCIENCE.