Chinese spies hacked secret US weapons systems

they need to release more details, how was it hacked... by a open door? or a real hack, people should know so they can protect other systems from the same hacks

 

and you think we are not doing the same? remember the iran hacking incident, somehow their nuke lab was hacked. we have one of the most advance cyberwarfare system in the world, and its not there for shows. esponiage has been here for thousands years, its just happen now we have internet which make stealing screts/sabotage easier.

 

You really don't know anything about foreign relations do you? North Korea would actually be harder than China because a nuclear war with China would be highly unlikely. Who knows what Kim Jun Il will do. The kid has more than likely been raised with nothing but adulation and most likely has a god complex and thinks he and his people are invincible.

I wasn't referring to Obama's foreign policy I was referring to what if we actually went to war. The Chinese simply do not have the means to move that massive army of theirs any great distance. Could they defend themselves from a land incursion, of course but they cannot project that power beyond their own shores.

 

This satire from South Park hit the nail on the head so perfectly, as is amply displayed by the quaint and clueless perceptions of the Chinese by many in this thread.

Its funny someone could sum up our military capabilities as the USA spending TRILLIONS on a continual basis to have a REALLY BIG PENIS while China has destroyed our manufacturing ability and technology and converted the USA into a debtor to them, completely economically and technologically dependent country. We even send them our food to be canned and preserved to be sent back to us, along with their own massive exports to feed us. Our crops would rot waiting to be preserved.

The very idea, expressed earlier, that being thrust into self dependence and surviving with "victory gardens" as a feasible plan is hilarious. Its not WW2 anymore, and the mega-cities we now have no resources to GROW victory gardens (water in particular). Our whole infrastructure needs to function with near perfection to avoid massive die-offs of people.

Our population and resource losses from this would be higher than day and night bombing raids.

The Chinese play chess while the USA play checkers. To a greater extent every day, the rest of the world, if they didn't back China, would stand back and not defy the Chinese. Most people in the USA have NO idea how badly the worldwide crash from USA financial fraud has turned opinion against us.

And most people in the USA do not even have a clue how much China has made so many other countries very economically and technologically dependent on China. Carrots are more palatable than big penises, er, I mean "big sticks".

 

Yes, China has stolen Uncle Sam's defense secrets. I don't care.

Uncle Sam has been very bad overseas for quite some time. Now Uncle Sam has become very bad at home. Uncle Sam is a threat to me. Uncle Sam should be cut down to size so he doesn't threaten me ever again.

China and America will fight a war in the Western Pacific within the next generation unless America withdraws from the field. Looking at the political culture and caliber of today's Americans I think the best course of action for Uncle Sam would be to slip away quietly.

As far as the Chinese are concerned they remind me of a movie. Have you ever seen the original version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers with Kevin McCarthy? That's what happened to me.

 

Cyberwar is primarily offense, not defense. The US military has not tipped its hand to China about it's offensive capabilities. As China advanced socially, economically, in infrastructure, etc., it will become even more vulnerable to the same threats America now faces from the PLA et al. only more so because virtually nothing in China has been hardened.

 

The President isn't much of anything other than a great campaigner. That's a problem.

 

I am pleased to learn from your expertise in foreign relations. Please contribute your valuable opinions on foreign relations to the forum.

Please explain in details what you mean by your statement that "North Korea would actually be harder than China because a nuclear war with China would be highly unlikely".

It looks like you are a man from another era.

Kim Jong-il
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il

If Uncle Sam had grabbed the opportunity to prove that Kim Jong Un and his people were not "invincible" by bombing North Korea's nuclear facilities when Kim declared war on the US, I think the majority of the Chinese would be laughing in their hearts.

You don't expect a cat to leap at you like a tiger, do you? Similarly, the mental level of Chinese generals couldn't even be compared to that of a cat if they recklessly project China's naval power beyond its shores.

If Uncle Sam thought like you, he would have launched a full-scale war against the Chinese mainland long ago during the Korean War. A war between the US and China could spell the end of the world. I hope all of us would still be around to listen to your harping on your scenario of actual war if the US "actually went to war" against China.

 

You won't launch an American Spring, will you? Just wait patiently for the next US presidential election. By then if you can't find a more capable man than Hak Kwai, you can even run for election too.

 

Beyond your scope of explanation?

 

The problem is not whether the hackers are the same or not. There are countless hackers in all countries waiting for an opportunity to hack into your computer system. Nowadays even children can learn hacking. For instance, the youngest hacker caught red-handed in his act was not even 2 years old.

The youngest hacker in history caught red-handed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jolV6jktlig

 

Now I understand the reason for the legalization of same-sex marriage for females in 14 countries. Some females there have found that "carrots" are more palatable than "big sticks".

 

Well said. Foreign hackers are not worthy to hold the candle to their American counterparts.

Just like the Chinese saying of "a dwarf meeting with a giant", Chinese hacking certainly pales in comparison to that of American.

 

You are putting words into my mouth so knock it off right now. At no point did i advocate that we should go to war I was only continuing the earlier discussion about the odds and what most likely would happen. China has a massive army........and absolutely no way to move it around. The roads are primitive at best once you get outside of the main cities, their airforce and navy would be rendered impotent within the first couple of weeks by US air and navy power which is exponentially more potent that anything the Chinese have right now.

Having a massive army sitting around consuming massive quantities of food and resources meanwhile your billion plus civilians are clamouring for those same resources is a recipe for disaster for the Chinese. Having a large population is a double edged sword that has benefits and drawbacks.

Clearly you are completely ignorant or at the very least are gullible enough to by the propaganda that the Chinese put out about their military. I suggest you look up their technology from Janes and educate yourself.

You seem to think that warfare is fought with a bunch of people lining up and shooting eachother and whoever has the most men wins. That is a completely ignorant viewpoint of war even from historical perspective. The side with the most training and the most technology virtually always wins regardless of the numbers. We won every battle in Vietnam including the Tet Offensive and lost 58,000 troops to their over 2 million troops. The Japanese were able to occupy China during WW2 and they have a vastly smaller population than China did. The Germans took on the Allies and if Hitler hadn't made the massive mistakes that he did we might be looking at a completely different map of Europe today. The only guarantee that we had was that we were so far long in development of the A bomb.

China wouldn't go nuclear because their leadership is pragmatic. When they saw that pure communism wasn't going to work they adopted capilalist elements and incorporated them into their system. They are as corrupt as hell and fudge the numbers but at least they adopted a different economic policy. North Korea and Kim Jung Un have not shown that kind of plasticity in their thinking. They are head strong and set in their ways and they have masses of brainwashed sycophants surrounding them literally worshiping them as gods.

 

Well said. China isn't so much as a threat even with the info they stole, although depending how much they stole. With bases lined up, surrounding them, it'll won't be hard for us to counter back even if they strike first.

 

BINGO!

Dependency has a nasty side effect - vulnerability. And the US has become a nation of dependents. Not only does the national economy depend on external sources of funding of its government to an alarming degree, but its people are also increasingly dependent. Aside from the deplorable trends in their dependency on government itself, most everyone (with minor exceptions) are dependent on the functional integrity of its infrastructure for their very day to day survival. Too sudden of a degradation of certain key portions of that infrastructure could fairly rapidly result in pandemonium and large scale lawlessness.

Dependencies turn dependents into potential hostages of that which they depend. Contrary to popular belief, dependency is not necessarily a good thing to encourage or pursue, either on the national level or the personal one. Unfortunately, in a large modern technological society widespread infrastructural dependency is nearly unavoidable. However, many other forms of dependencies ARE avoidable.

On both the personal and national level dependency can be minimized. But in most cases that won't happen, and usually for fairly obvious reasons. We should realize though that there's a potential ball and chain - in some cases, a guillotine - attached to every contrivance that we have come to "need", both as individuals and as a society. We all better start appreciating that fact for the danger that it represents, and factor it into our planning, policies, and lives in a real way, vs. the usual bs way that we usually do our factoring.

 

It sounds like political as well as technological espionage.

The F-35, the new US Navy combat ship and the Osprey are all very troubled programs with high cost overruns and lots questions about their viability, necessity, and even safety. The Patriots were far less effective than the Gulf War hype led us to believe. Can't comment on the Aegis.

The Blackhawk has been around for so long that the Chinese probably already have a few

 

you misunderstood my post, by "so they can protect other systems from the same hacks"

I meant, the hacks the hackers used to get into the system, IE could be anyone using the same hacks those hackers used, people should know so they can protect their systems from those same vulnerabilities

 

Thanks for bringing up the 1956 American science fiction film that can also mirror the current Sinophobia sweeping the Pentagon and the Capitol Hill.

Your wife will be sad to learn that the Chinese reminds her husband of a movie, not her. Don't be so mentally immersed in the story of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" that you view America as a large-scale physical copy of the fictional Californian town of Santa Mira. Whatever duplicates that you think have replaced your fellow countrymen in their sleep, you can rest assured they are not Chinese. Hak Kwai is still Hak Kwai, not Chairman Mao.

The "epidemic mass hysteria" in the story brings to mind the current US cybertheft allegation against China. The prospect of a rising China and the puzzling cybertheft allegation have gradually transformed into a mass hysteria sweeping the Pentagon and the Capitol Hill: "Look! You fools! You’re in danger! Can’t you see? They’re after you! They’re after all of us! Our wives…our children…they’re here already! You’re next!"

Can this be the work of the "Body Snatchers" instead of the alleged Chinese military hackers? Instead of snatching bodies, they are now snatching secret documents from America's computer systems.

America's Sinophobia may inspire Hollywood to make another film entitled "Invasion of the Cyber Snatchers"

P.S. By the way, am I communicating with the real Albert or Dr. Miles Bennell himself or a "pod person"? Make sure your wife is not a duplicate with Madame Mao's character. Go to bed early and have a good sleep every night. Good night!

Invasion of the Body Snatchers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers

Invasion of the Body Snatchers
http://www.gadflyonline.com/11-26-01/film-snatchers.html

INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/finney.html

 

Don't worry about "massive die-offs of people" as they can be replaced with duplicates by the "Body Snatchers".

 

lol. And what would that do? We're not going to attack the Chinese, so mindless rhetoric isn't going to get you anywhere. Wimps are guys who make ridiculous threats and don't back them up.

 

Considering that Americans thought it best to farm out everything to China, like network routers, electronics etc... we get what we paid for.

I've long held that allowing so much of our manufacturing to reside in China was a national security risk, and now that American is reliant on China for so many items, it's pretty much come to pass. But hey, you can still buy the crap cheaper when Wal Mart imports it for you!

 

Obama is all about our country's weakness, so he doesn't care.

 

Do you remember Qiu Jin? She was strong. She was like my wife is.

 

I come not to praise Caesar, but to bury him.