Chinese spies hacked secret US weapons systems

Why do you assume I wouldn't back up my words? Projecting your own lack of resolve onto me?

 

Not just our political weakness, but also our greed and endless need for consumption. We want, they give, until its us who have given away everything.
From toys to electronics to food and now this. Its about time we wake up and reverse this nonsense, this shouting from the rooftop "come and get it".

 

Too true, but they need us far more than we need them. I wish Americans would realize this. The Chinese can't take away our natural resources or our human capital or our technology or our military, they can only take away a credit card. I say big deal. Let them try. That said, our foreign policy needs to reflect proper values if we're to insist on appropriate behavior from China. I would propose, as a measure of good faith, to incrementally withdraw our massive troop concentrations from abroad while pledging to end the intelligence war between both countries. So my ultimatum would be contingent upon this. If, however, after this show of good will China continued to violate our sovereignty along with the private property rights of American citizens and companies, there would be no choice but to initiate a military campaign against them. A blockade of strategic ports and military assets would be the first measure. However, I don't think it would get that far. The Chinese know we are not to be trifled with when angered and would quickly acquiesce to our demands.

 

Don't mistake dying embers for a roaring fire.

You're talking about the Old America of competence, honor, affluence, and strength. Old America is gone. It has been replaced by New Amerika. New Amerika rests on the past laurels of Old America and lives by bluff alone.

 

If we had real leadership, those embers could be reignited. The coming decades will be a test. Whether we pass or fail is not something I can predict.

 

It has been difficult for me to come to the conclusion that the American people deserve the leadership they get. The basic flaw is in the poorly educated citizenry. Only a poorly educated citizenry would be capable of such wide and erratic political swings.

The American citizenry allowed the creation of a degraded culture. The American citizenry allowed most of the public school system to become shallow and degraded. The American citizenry allowed the creation of a political culture that minimizes the importance of national solidarity and social cohesion.

I'm like John Jacob Astor sitting in amazement on the poop deck of the Titanic as the ship went down.

 

I understand your frustration but there are forces counteracting all that. I think the power of technology is something that most people overlook in political discussions. The move towards liberty and autonomy is inevitable, I believe. Of course, there will be spasms, contractions, and corrections on the way, but I think there is still a chance for this country. We'll have to see, though.

 

Not at all, I just naturally assumed that no one could possibly be that stupid. My mistake. I often forget there are children and slow adults using this forum as well. Carry on.

 

I don't need your permission to carry on, and your contributions to this thread have been nonexistent, as usual. You are not a person of substance but a juvenile who tosses around insults and then runs away from serious debate. Move along, kid. The adults are having a discussion.

 

The assertion that you, or President Obama, would or should attack China is beyond laughable. To even debate such a nonsensical topic is a waste of everyones time. But, of course, if you are serious, you either lack any basic common sense or you're a psychopath.

So what would you like me to add to your little fantasy? I can give you a million and one reasons why only the slowest of minds would conjure such a thought, but I fear that too would be lost on you. Lets try.....

-Millions of dead Americans over an internet hack.

Your little fantasy sounding stupid yet?

 

Sorry, but self-serving assertions and insults are not a valid pretext to a serious debate. You are just acting like a petulant infant with nothing of substance to say.

You are just assuming that a military response would necessarily entail millions of dead Americans. Fact is, there are a plethora of strategic and tactical options we could employ that do not involve a full-scale invasion of the Chinese mainland. Just because you lack the intellectual capacity to consider these alternative options does not mean I am subject to the same handicap, so stop projecting your own inadequacies onto me and make some kind of reasoned argument for me to address.

 

Please, don't hold out on us. I'm curious of these strategic options you have come up with to deal with China. This should be good.

 

Only someone who knows the differences between our cultures could even comprehend how true my statement is.

 

I've already posted several options. Why should I repeat myself? Be a big boy and go read my posts.

 

I read this post of your 'options'. Lets go through them, shall we?

There is no longer a threat of US naval projection towards China. With the deployment of the DF-21d, a fleet within 2000 miles of China becomes a tomb should they decide it to be. A 'blockade' would bring us back to the DF-21, where your blockade would be short lived, and that's if you got within 2000 miles of the Chinese coast, which we wouldn't. No land based blockades from Russia, N Korea, Mongolia, or from western China are possible.

So let me ask - what are you going to blockade and with what?

And lets hear this little sabotage plan you've worked up that will bring a billion Chinese to their knees. lol.

 

As you can see, Ethereal, your little fanstasy of blockades and naval projection are just that - a fantasy. I could rip your delusional thoughts apart further, but I'm going to let you save face and bow out of a conversation you're ill equipped to be in.

 

Oh, you want to have a discussion now? Did someone change your diaper?

What evidence do you have that the DF-21d system is actually capable of taking out a US carrier group? And assuming it possesses the capabilities you allege, it wouldn't matter. The system can be defeated: Breaking China's DF-21D missile kill chain: US expert. Additionally, this system poses no threat to submarines.

You are thinking of using a conventional blockade. My plan would entail the covert insertion of intelligence and special forces assets along strategic land routes and choke-points. They would utilize unconventional, asymmetric tactics in order to disrupt key economic and military channels into and out of the Chinese mainland.

The plan isn't to bring the Chinese people to their knees, but to obtain compliance from the Chinese state. This would be accomplished through the covert insertion of intelligence and SF assets into the Chinese mainland along with the contemporaneous disruption of strategic Chinese ports, refueling stations, and bases throughout the globe.

Of course, it would never come to this. The Chinese state, in the face of a serious military threat, would comply with the US's demands.

Oh, is that a fact? A little presumptuous, aren't we?

 

I think we all doubt that you really could, so please show us how you could rip his allegedly delusional thoughts apart further.


Oh...Ethereal...it's going to be another 1.5 max. I am waiting on someone to show up with the password.

 

I have the same information that's readily available to anyone. They've successfully tested the DF-21d and our Navy has started developing new counter measures to defeat it. The link you posted - did you bother reading it? That entire article is based on "developing technology". Here, for you

Options for destroying ASBMs in flight include developing versions of the SM-3 Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) interceptor missile, including the planned SM-3 Block IIA.

The U.S. Navy also should accelerate the procurement of the Sea-Based Terminal interceptor, which is the planned successor of the SM-2 Block IV terminal-phase BMD interceptor.

Other options include accelerating the development and deployment of electromagnetic rail guns, and accelerating development and deployment of shipboard high-power free electron lasers and solid state lasers, says the report.

Now, based on that today, would you put your money on 20 DF-21d launced at a carrier group, or a carrier group being able to defend itself? Silly you would put a carrier group in harms way based on an article stating we need to develop better technologies. We might get one or two, but sure as the sun will come up they will get several through.

LOL. You may as well have said you will be sprinkling pixie dust on China to make the problem go away. If you told that plan to a senior military official you would be laughed out the door. This is not some 3rd world country, this is China. Destroying a few bridges, a communications building etc. isn't going to do squat other than (*)(*)(*)(*) off a country that can most certainly cause as much harm to us as we can to them.

Who knew it was that easy? Glad to cleared that up. Over 10 years in Afghanistan to try to defeat a group of 3rd world Arabs with the worlds best military minds at work and you've all the sudden figured out how to defeat a nuclear super power with a unfounded, vaguely worded idea with no serious repercussions towards the US.

Because you say so...or?

And what serious military threat should China be worried about? An invasion? No. A carrier fleet? No. A nuclear bomb? No. So please tell me, I'm dying to know.

Perhaps, but I don't believe so. From what I've gathered, there is no way you've spent a day in the military or have a clue what you're speaking about in this case, and other than tossing out nonsense that's based on your own fantasy I havn't gathered anything from your "plan" that even falls into the realm of realistic.

 

Any thoughts of your own on anything I've said so far? I'm sure a woman like yourself who's hobbies include illusion magic could educate the forum on various military tactics and weapon systems.

 

Antony, let's dispense with the burial customs as Heraclitus had said: "Corpses are more fit to be thrown out than is dung."

Burial
http://en.proverbia.net/citastema.asp?tematica=150

 

Sure or not? Tell it to every Chinese American you meet in your country, including those holding high posts at the Heritage Foundation or in the US government at ambassadorial level.

 

Then you have another good reason to run for the next US presidential election . You have to prove yourself to be as strong as your wife. However, don't expect any vote from BestViewedWithCable.

Qiu Jin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiu_Jin

 

To bring the dead to life Is no great magic.

Few are wholly dead:

Blow on a dead man's embers

And a live flame will start.

- Robert von Ranke Graves
'To Bring the Dead to Life'.

embers quotes
http://quotes.yourdictionary.com/embers

Everything flows and nothing abides, everything gives way and nothing stays fixed.

Heraclitus
http://en.proverbia.net/citasautor.asp?autor=13384

 

Can you claim to understand anything about cultures when you make such an irresponsible, racist Klan statement?