Christian influence in society? Yes. A theocracy? No

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  1. Injeun

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    Here, here!
     
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    Yes I am right and teachers who want to teach crt and the woke agenda are wrong.
     
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    Well argued - lol!
     
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    Promise honored - tis you who has failed to respond - failed to explain your blasphemy - unwilling to accept the sacrifice - down the dark path of the deceit away from the True path.

    Why do you run from the sacrifice of Jesus... why you have not accepted the sacrifice - yet run around accusing others of your failing ?
     
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    So you won’t keep your promise.

    We all know the answer anyway, you have not accepted Jesus as your lord and savior and been baptized.

    I fully expected you to lie and say “yes”, so there is at least some ember of honor in you.
     
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    Why do you persist in this deceit ? I have answered both your questions.. a number of times. 1) baptized twice .. so Yes x 2
    2) No I do not accept that Jesus has saved us from judgement .. for this is not what Jesus teaches ..

    "I fully expect you to Lie" which is what you have been doing -- as I have answered the same way previously.

    but You .. on the other hand .. reject the teachings of Jesus .. and refuse to accept the sacrifice .. try to supplant the teacings of Jesus with that of man made idols .. you avoid rather than accept the sacrifice of Jesus .. the precious blood of the lamb shed for you and try to fool others into doing the same..
     
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    Then just answer “no”. Instead you post diatribes and insults and lies. Is it because I proved you wrong?
     
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    "Instead you post diatribes and insults and lies. Is it because I proved you wrong?

    Now that be the Pot calling Kettle black - trying to sell your own reflection .. on to someone else. What on earth have you possibly proved wrong ? Your still trying to figure out what "No" means .. and Yes... in some dance of deflection .. away from the question ..not willing speak up for Jesus .. denying the word.. the truth .. and the Sacrifice.

    Do you accept the Sacrifice or not - the blood shed for you ? .. or do you think you have a free pass through judgement ?
     
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    Honor your promise and answer the question.
     
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    Teachers who push woke agenda and CRT on young children are worse than just wrong. Same goes for teachers who push bigotry on young children.

    School should be for learning math, English, geography, and science, and not for indoctrinating children.
     
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    I have answered both of your questions ( baptized twice - No). Why do you continue in this deception in a desperate attempt to avoid the message of the cross and pin your failures onto others. Why do you reject the sacrifice of Jesus and teach others to do the same ?
     
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    Salvation is through faith alone, as clearly shown by Matthew 7-15:23.

    End your false doctrine and Accept Jesus as your lord and savior before it’s too late.
     
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    Yes, you are exactly right. Woke teachers and their unions can not be allowed to be continue their override of Parents wishes and needs for their children in our schools. The former Governor of Virginia got this all wrong and paid for it…
     
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    Do you believe "salvation" is permanent? That is, once saved god will never reject you?

    Is this why you seem to ignore Matthew 25:31-end, where Jesus describes simple, well understood duties required of his followers, where failure will cause his followers to end up in hell?

    It seems like Christianity really emphasizes that "save" part, but ignores the absolute requirements that will send Christians to hell.
     
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    Some think that once they are saved by Grace that they can continue to live in the sins they were previously committing and deny that Paul said a believer can not continue to live in sin. People change after being saved in order to please the God they love who saved them, not in order to “earn” salvation. People once saved most certainly can backslide and fall away from their faith. I know because I did that and then came back.
     
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    True. And, surely that would be fully expectable.

    I'd point out that it goes beyond living in what the public would consider sin. Also, it doesn't require personal rejection of faith.

    Failing the duties Jesus prescribed in Matthew 25:31 to end would not be considered as sinful by the general public - either at the time of Jesus or today. Yet failure in those duties will be punished by hell, according to Jesus.
     
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    Hence why such a large chunk of Trump's loyalists are Christians.

    From A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support

    13. Authoritarian Personality
    Authoritarianism refers to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others. Authoritarian personality is characterized by belief in total and complete obedience to authority. Those with this personality often display aggression toward outgroup members, submissiveness to authority, resistance to new experiences, and a rigid hierarchical view of society. Authoritarianism is often triggered by fear, making it easy for leaders who exaggerate threat or fear monger to gain their allegiance.

    12. The Desire to Want to Dominate Others
    Social dominance orientation (SDO) — which is distinct from but related to authoritarian personality (#13) — refers to people who have a preference for the societal hierarchy of groups, specifically with a structure in which the high-status groups have dominance over the low-status ones. Those with SDO are typically dominant, tough-minded, and driven by self-interest.

    11. Trump Taps Into the Nation’s Collective Narcissism
    Collective narcissism is an unrealistic shared belief in the greatness of one’s national group. It often occurs when a group who believes it represents the "true identity" of a nation — the "ingroup," in this case White Americans — perceives itself as being disadvantaged compared to outgroups who are getting ahead of them "unrightfully." This psychological phenomenon is related to relative deprivation (#6).


    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...omplete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support
     
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    That article misses (or only briefly mentions) what I think was the biggest reason Trump won: The political system had become so corrupt and people got so sick of smarmy fake politicians that they wanted to throw in a hand grenade hoping it would shake things up and wake politicians up and make them listen to the people afterwards. Obama had promised hope and change and came in via optimism, and then failed to deliver change people wanted. So Trump came in via pessimism and presented himself as an outsider extending a middle finger to Washington and even though he turned out to be just as or even more corrupt, he got the middle finger motif perfect, so he won.

    Sadly, the politicians don't seem to have woken up and post-Trump don't still don't seem to be listening, so the experiment failed.

    Anyway, this is off topic so I will stop.
     
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    No, Trump is continuing to win. He leads the Republican party. You can't downplay that.

    His message to America is that democracy is a failed experiment and that our government is the evil that must be conquered.

    That's not just a "middle finger". It goes WAY beyond that. He was our president, and his final act after a full term of total partisanship and ignoring the law, with NO attempt to make our system work the way it was intended, was a serious attempt to turn America into an autocracy.

    And, he is STILL leading America in that direction.
     
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    Sure, and if your other politicians don't listen to and offer something to the people, he will win, again. He is what happens when you fail to create competent leadership that serves the people. He is the end result of corrupt fake Washington. You got him because you collectively deserved him.
     
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    Republicans have just as much responsibility for that as do Dems and independents.

    Today, we have MAGA leading Republicans working against access to the polls and free and fair representation. In fact, when in power Trump discounted all representation outside the Republican party and in the end moved strongly to end democracy.

    NO Republican can moan about lack of representation when their primary move is to end free and fair representation by the people.
     
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    Your framing of it all in such partisan terms is telling of the root problem of your "democracy".
     
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    Your premise is that if an analysis shows that one party is interested in a particular policy and the other is not, then the analysis must be wrong???

    Good lord.

    Today, it IS the MAGA/Republican party that IS working to defeat democracy.
     
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    Not what I wrote, no. But thanks for trying to mind read.
     

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