Christianity: the unknowable faith?

The rational mind allows for the possibility of non-scientific explanations when faced with incontrovertible proof of a certain phenomenon.

For example, I have reviewed the evidence and believe the Miracle of the Sun happened at Fatima.

70,000 witnesses saw the sun move around in the sky.

Atheists have no explanation for this, other than "mass hypnosis."

But who was doing the hypnotizing?

Even the most skilled hypnotist can only hypnotize a handful of people at a time.

I saw an exhibit of hypnotism when I was in high school.

Half a dozen people were put in chairs and the hynotist managed to hynotize half of them. The other half were unaffected and returned to their seats.

In order to be hynotized you must see the hynotist's hands and hear his voice.

There is no way 70,000 people could be hynotized at the same time using technology available in 1917, even if you had dozens of hypnotists working the audience. Also, there is no report from any witness that there were hypnotists working the crowd. Since not all people are subject to hynotism there would be at least one witness.

The Miracle of the Sun at Fatima happened, therefore God has proven he exists to the skeptical age we live in.

 

I have no argument with what you are saying. What you have stated does show that what I stated is true. Rationalizations (the use of a rational mind) can and will justify whatever is necessary to maintain ones own understanding of his/her sanity.

 

We of Faith believe that those without are indeed the ignorant ones.

 

Complete nonsense. Faith is something we are born with, that becomes corrupted the first time we sin.

 

Is that notion according to scripture? Please reveal the particular scripture.

 

Is Faith inherited? It becomes corrupted when we first sin? Venture to guess what that first sin is that we commit and how old one would have to be. Just take a guess.

If one believes in sin, what sin is not forgivable other than the sin of rejecting Jesus as your Savior?

 

You gotta be kiddin' me. Do you think Adam didn't have faith before he sinned, or that it didn't become corrupted afterwords?

Yes, from our Father in Heaven.

What for?

 

What difference would it make what I think about the faith of another person (living or dead)? Would it change the price of tea in China? Why do you think my opinion is so important that the issue caused you to make an inquiry regarding my opinion? On the other hand, you have not shown a passage of scripture that supports the notion that you published.

 

Forget it. In fact, forget I exist.

 

"forgetting" is truly just a colloquialism which is broadly misused. According to science, the human brain records all of the events within a life span, and theoretically those events can be recalled using our conscious abilities. So the likelihood of my forgetting you exist is slim to none.

 

Perhaps you should first start to learn something about the christian religion before you are attacking the beliefs of Christians without any reason to do so. No Christian will argue with an Antichristian who says "Christians are believing that god raped mother Mary" for example. What a nonsense! Your destructive energy against the christian religion is far from everything what I could call "ratio". You are the paradox calling your own hate "ratio" - not others.

http://youtu.be/54r8CLLfd94

 

See also: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epistemology-evolutionary/. Nice question in this context is: "How is it that we can know this world?"

http://youtu.be/rzpL_5CI0WQ

 

Is Evolution is a philosopy.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltuX_DmwPZk&feature=related"]History of Western Philosophy - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYKfGIy3xhk&feature=related"]Day in the Life of a Philosophy Major - YouTube[/ame]

I shall never forget the PBS Special that refers to our ancestors as being Father Fish.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-LIVqjSvRk&feature=related"]Evolution Transition - YouTube[/ame]

 

I just wanted to make clear that I'm not targeting atheists with this comment, I mean the actual rational mind that we all possess.

 

The text book example of Argument from Ignorance/God of the Gaps.

"We can't explain it, so the 23 armed, 14 eyed, monster under my bed created the universe. There is no other explanation."

 

Did Marry consent to being impregnated?

Answer honestly.

 

Um. No its not.

I suggest reading The Greatest Show on Earth.... or any other text book concerning evolutionary biology. It is not a philosophy, it is an understanding of biology.

Plain and simple.

 

Yeah... like reading these scripts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_biology

http://171.67.193.20/entries/biology-philosophy/

http://www.philbio.org/

http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/research/philofbio.html

I mean after all, these are the people in the KNOW.

Virtually everything in this secular society has a philosophy behind it.

 

Nope. That is an offshoot of science, the philosophy of science.

Science, facts, observations, do not make philosophical observations on their own.

Organisms adapt to better fit their environment. Is there something philosophical about that? No. Simply an observation.

 

Do you have a comprehension of what the word "of" means?

"of (v, v; v when unstressed)
prep.
1. Derived or coming from; originating at or from: customs of the South.
2. Caused by; resulting from: a death of tuberculosis.
3. Away from; at a distance from: a mile east of here.
4. So as to be separated or relieved from: robbed of one's dignity; cured of distemper.
5. From the total or group comprising: give of one's time; two of my friends; most of the cases.
6. Composed or made from: a dress of silk.
7. Associated with or adhering to: people of your religion.
8. Belonging or connected to: the rungs of a ladder.
9.
a. Possessing; having: a person of honor.
b. On one's part: very nice of you.
10. Containing or carrying: a basket of groceries.
11. Specified as; named or called: a depth of ten feet; the Garden of Eden.
12. Centering on; directed toward: a love of horses.
13. Produced by; issuing from: products of the vine.
14. Characterized or identified by: a year of famine.
15.
a. With reference to; about: think highly of her proposals; will speak of it later.
b. In respect to: slow of speech.
16. Set aside for; taken up by: a day of rest.
17. Before; until: five minutes of two.
18. During or on a specified time: of recent years.
19. By: beloved of the family.
20. Used to indicate an appositive: that idiot of a driver.
21. Archaic On: "A plague of all cowards, I say" (Shakespeare)."

Educate yourself.

 

I am glad that you took the time to post something completely irrelevant while obsessing over one particular word. Certain remains within character.

 

At least my character is justified by the very means in which we communicate.... 'words'. It is shameful that you do not comprehend the words that are placed before you.

 

Meh. Red herring.

Do you choose to divert the debate instead of conceding that observations are not necessarily philosophical in nature?

 

Observations become philosophical once they are put into words (either written or spoken). The observation is recognized in the mind... and as long as the observation stays in the mind, it is no longer philosophical, however, once that observation is manifest in the form of words, graphics, etc., then that observation becomes philosophical because it proceeded from the mind and became manifest in the temporal world. Read my signature line.

 

Philosophy can be drawn from science, however science itself stands alone.