Circumcision: a medically unnnecessary scam!

Wait a minute. Haven't we been assured that babies who are unborn feel no pain? Does pain only arrive with birth?

 

Sorry - your Holy Book is not part of my religion, and anything you think of merely as 'leftist' is too right-wing for normal people, I suppose. I do notice that many American rightists are not only pig-ignorant when it comes to knowledge but also about manners, by the way.

 

To some conservatives, facts are nothing more than liberal talking points.

 

Facts are facts and most are not disputed however what is perceived is very different.

Lets take abortion. Conservatives believe that those are children in the womb. An innocent.

Liberals believe they are simply a lump of cells.

I can make a secular argument for everything I believe. If I could not I would remain silent.

Conservatives see a murder and rapist as a monster that need eliminated and liberals see a human that needs their help. Never mind that most offenders do it again they just need more rehabilitation.

If you take God out of most arguments and examine only the facts it comes down to perception. Most perception determines left of right.

Can anyone say at what point an unborn child feels pain? Can anyone define what it really is to be self aware?

 

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A man who's born blind never misses his sight either...

Look back at my picture of the banana, and wonder what happens if you do the same with a penis?

Indeed, a layer of callus is formed -- that is the body's answer to cutting of the foreskin that protected the penis in the first place.

Result: a decrease in sensitivity downunder.

I'm willing to admit my analogy isn't entirely correct, but this one will do.

Circumcised men are *forced* to drive a Lada their entire lives. Meanwhile, uncircumcised men drive the Mercedes-Benz that nature has given them, and they still at least have a choice to downgrade themselves to driving a Lada.

It is not that I'm *against* circumcision all together, I think the individual should make that choice for himself.

I also think it's funny that some scream murder and fire about "religious freedom" -- mostly with Juduaism in their backminds. Well, my answer to them is that a circumcision doesn't make a Jew -- and they can still get one after they turn 18 y.o. out of their own choice. What about the men who are born into a Jewish family and then, at a certain point in their lives (e.g. at university), stop believing in Jaweh and all of that mess?

 

My guess is that you thought that post of yours was really smart, eh?

A lot of people who identify as "left", or "left of centre" are against abortion themselves. As am I. Yet I respect the right of women to by a boss of their own bodies. That said, most European countries (which Americans often label as "socialists") have far more stricter abortion laws than the USA, who prouds herself as a "right of centre" nation all together...

Anyways, I bet you think you somehow have exposed some sort of "hypocrisy" of people who are against circumcision. Of the latter you probably think they are all evil atheists, libzzz and outright commies. Well, if I'm correct about your line of thinking I'd like to point that a lot of "people on the right" -- who most of the time, identify as "Christian" -- are against policies that find their basis in Christianity, e.g. universal healthcare, universal access to tertiary education, a strong social safety net. Indeed, it isn't for nothing that "socialist Europe" is the creation of rather conservative Christian-Democrats. Even today:

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EPP is the biggest party, or the "European Peoples Party". They are the Christian-Democrats.

 

I am not a liberal, and think you'd do better to get yourself involved in serious politics than go on and on and on about your weird prejudices. Unless you want to return to backstreet abortion and enslave women you are just making mouth-music, as you know.

 

Hey I am politically and fiscally pro death. I find it detestable and sick but the Godless were killed many times in the Bible. I feel that if God wanted it stopped it would stop.

To me it is just a better chance for my DNA to carry on and it saves me money in the end. I would rather there were no abortion and I do not like the social degradation it causes but in the end it is and always has been survival of the fittest.

 

Sorry: I am a simple soul and found your forms of expression set off my St Antony's Sermon the the Right-Wing Fish.

 

No I am a very far right realist. I keep the Idealism at home.

 

It's sad a discussion about circumcision some how ends up into a right vs left debate...as almost any threads on the broad seem to nowadays.

 

This discussion is moot, at least in the U.S. because as far as I know, circumcision is an entirely optional procedure.

Besides, I like that my little buddy has a coozie around him.

 

One fish

two fish

red fish

blue fish

have a bris

or not

give a hoot

so what???

As long as you're a lover

and you duck and cover;

you cannot miss with

or without a bris



When my dear mother (rip) was asked how old a gentleman was and she had no idea what the answer was...she would say..

"I don't know; I wasn't at his bris".

Oh, I miss her funny sense of humor.

 

IgnoranceIsBliss,

Have you seen the video yet?

Regards,

Jan

 

Not really. The doctors feed parents a line of (*)(*)(*)(*) and try to scare them into it. Sometimes they do it against parents wishes.

http://thestir.cafemom.com/pregnancy/109464/baby_circumcised_without_parental_consent

This is a real issue and the pediatrician looked at my wife and I like we were bad parents. I am not even going to discuss the regular doctor.

I have heard many women say that they prefer a cut penis but they never had an uncut one (fine because a woman should have enough self respect not to just sleep around and men the same). I know some women that say that it makes no difference and it is all in the man yet others say it is more comfortable.

I think it should be up to the man not some doctor or his parents to take his choice away.

 

Not yet, I'll try to tonight.

 

It is not optional at all for the victims, of course, unless they are overcome by the urge to have bits chopped off them in adulthood, which is rare.

 

Funny, how in the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave", men advocate altering their son's penises because of what others might think.

 

LOL, I find it amusing how, whenever the subject of mutilating the penis raises its ugly head (pun intended), everyone's defensive shield goes up, and the same hoary old myths are trotted out.

As well as some new ones - a corker being the concept the pre-pubertal boys do not want to touch their own penises. LOL, I remember at four or five, being constantly told off by nanny for doing just that.

Another unsupported claim being that the majority of males worldwide are circumcised. Assuming all Jewish and Muslim males are circumcised, studies have found the figure to be approaching 30%. The figure for the UK, for example, is 6%, and 2% for Spain. The practice of neo-natal circumcision is declining worldwide, including in the USA. Only those of the Jewish and Islamic faiths circumcise their sons routinely.

My view of the entire question is 'whatever floats your boat'. But only in relation to your own body. An infant does not have the capacity to give consent to a surgical procedure which is irreversible, and, at best, of debatable value. Despite the many scholarly articles supporting the procedure there are equally informed articles deeming it unnecessary, and diminishing of function.

There is no point in asking an uncircumcised, or a circumcised, male his opinion, as neither has the basis for comparison involving his own body, and neither is quick to admit that his junk is not in optimum trim.

So my view of the entire question of neo-natal circumcision devolves about the matter of informed consent. Stuff the demands of prehistoric mythology - you want to 'form a covenant with God'? Knock yourself out when you are old enough to make that decision, but leave your helpless infant's dick alone.

 

but what if the day care center worker looks at me funny because my son's penis isn't to her liking ?

 

Tell her your son is a natural man and you are not into torture and baby mutilation..

 

Pretty much. And those who have been circumcised, and whinge about how they have a decrease in sensation are kidding themselves. They have no idea what they'd feel with their foreskin in place, so they should quit whinging about it.

 

Honestly I think it is a case of people who are upset that once again nature slapped women with a double standard and attempts to get revenge on men for that double standard.

I also believe that radical atheism, which wouldn't care about the practice if done only by seculars, use it as a means to attack religion.

 

I'm glad I got circumcised.

You hit the nail on the head SM. This is just another pathetic excuse to attack religion.

 

You must have a funny old religion, matey! Are you sure it wasn't your head they cut off?