Classified documents from Biden's time as vice president discovered at Penn Biden Center

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  1. CornPop

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    Supreme Court says that's irrelevant.

    For the hundredth time. Classification markings are for people below the president to make sure they properly handle information. The President is immune from them. Trump could take any classified document and hold it up live on Fox News with no prior process to declassify it. If Trump considered it declassified, it was. No paperwork is required on his part to declassify anything. He could call up a foreign leader and share classified information with them without doing anything in advance as well. That's the whole point of having a President at the helm of the Executive Branch branch in the first place.

    Virtually everything the President says and does in his office is classified. He doesn't have to sit behind a computer declassifying everything before he speaks each sentence to people he invited. Under your presumption of how the Executive Branch operates the President's job would be declassifying information 24/7 while getting nothing done.
     
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    It really is astounding how you cannot grasp the principle here.

    The President has the power to declassify while he is President.

    Therefore, if Trump declassified the documents while he was President, possessing them after he was President is no crime since they were no longer classified.

    (I'm not saying Trump did declassify them, I'm saying if he did.)

    Biden took his documents before he was President. Unless the President at the time declassified them (at least two different Presidents), that was a crime. Biden cannot now declassify those documents he took years ago and negate the crime he committed. That's not how the law works.
     
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    He can secretly pardon himself and nobody will know. Maybe he has already
     
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    Biden is being forced to eat a ton of crow and the lying hypocrite deserves every bite.
     
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    Even if he did, with Biden, there's a 50-50 chance he's already forgotten.
     
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    Just thinking it would be a brilliant strategy if Biden pardons himself and then goes full on after trump who would be helpless. Win win situation. Biden won't be able to run next term and Trump gets his deserved prison sentence
     
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    There's nothing more ridiculous than using Biden and brilliant in the same sentence.
     
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    Which would not mitigate his acts BEFORE he was President.
     
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    And that is how you want our political system to work?
     
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    Would that surprise you? Isn't it obvious that cheating is the democrats main strategy?

    No mention of packing the Supreme Court until they lost control of it.

    Making up false allegations against all Republican nominees.

    Allowing illegals in by the millions and then claiming they want 'reform' by making them all citizens.
     
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    Why not? It's just as ridiculous as saying that a President can declassify Top Secret documents by just thinking about it and then not tell anyone
     
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    What is ridiculus about what you said when it is FACT.
     
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    HUH ? The Supreme court says that classification is irrelevant ?


    You cannot be serious. I've already posted that the courts upheld Obamas Executive order on this. Nobody is debating that the POTUS power to declassify....FFS man, thats not what we are debating here. But the idea that the POTUS can declassify anything and not tell anyone is beyond preposterous. What if Human assets could be put in harms way by declassifying something ? Your OK with people dying because "well, the POTUS can do what ever he wants, because we righties believe the position is a king.....unless its a democrat then they must be prosecuted

    So I'm sure that you would then agree that since Biden is president now, he has declassified everything that was found at his house so he can no longer be charged right ?
     
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    So by that standard, Trump cannot declassify anything Obama classified, if that was something he had.

    How can the POTUS have the powers you give to Trump, yet not carry to Biden when he is president.

    Look, I agree that there is a huge problem here with how the executive branch handles documents. But what we see from both Biden, and from Pence is a complete effort to cooperate, and from Trump we see him giving everyone the finger. But the overall idea that that ANY POTUS can just wave his imaginary mind over a document and claim it declassified withoug any notification is just ridiculous.

    EX: A US Citizen, or a Russian spy is caught with classified documents, is charged and sent to Prison. Can the president then just say..."no I declassified those docs let them go"
     
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    So is Obama came out and said that he declassified them, then you would be OK with that ?
     
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    I know some folks here will scoff at this, but last night Tucker Carlson said there might be evidence on the laptop from hell that the little guy had access to classified info in 2014. It will be part of tonight’s show if you’re interested.
     
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    The Supreme Court says there is no process the President has performed in order to declassify something. Your claim that there's "no record" of something that doesn't require a record is silly and nonsensical.
     
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    Show us that SC opinion....Because I already posted a judgement that said that "there is no record of these docs being declassified"
     
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    For the last time...WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE PRESIDENTS ABILITY TO DECLASSIFY !!!!!!

    We are debating that the president has a procedure to follow when he does. I already posted the Obama era EO that defined the procedure

    And what. you posted has absolutely nothing to do with the procedure....

    So you would be OK with Obama getting in front of a mic tonight and saying "whatever was at joes house, I declassified"....
     
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    Did this "credibly" age well?
     
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    Society isn’t falling for the democrat excuses for their own corruption. Bad times are coming my friends. Be safe.
     
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