Clear party divide re: Opening the economy

I"ve noticed on PF, social media, and personal friends that there is a definitely party divide regarding opening the economy.

The right wants to open the economy soon, although most are willing to accept the idea of continuing social distances and things like hand washing, sanitizing, and even masks, they want the businesses, industries, and restaurants open so people can get back to work.

The left do not want to open now, some want to wait longer (anywhere from 1 month to 18 months), some want to wait till there is a vaccine (about a year?), some have been very critical of opening up in the next couple weeks to a month.

Why do you think this is?

 

The Democrats want 1) Want anything that will harm Trump. 2) Anything that will have the population dependent on the Government.

 

Trump fans don't care how many will die, as long as Trump is re-elected. Those dying are on their last leg anyway. Or so say the social Darwinists.

 

How is it Sweden did not shut down. Shutting down has done more harm than good. You can practice safe practices without shutting down

 

Where did you come up with that crapola? If Trump fans want everything open and they are the ones that will die, the left will continue to shelter in place, then only Trump supporters will die. Trump won't be elected and the US will become a left wing paradise. I'm just following your logic.

 

Stop thinking things through like that. You are making come posts in the thread look ridiculous.

 

Because the New Socialist Democrat Party wants government to gain complete control over the citizenry so they can attain their efforts for globalism, the consolidation of power and the end will be the emerging of the anti-christ as foretold in the scriptures.

 

It's like when they said the right wants to throw granny off the cliff....but we have our own granny's too!

 

It's not all about you.

If you get sick, you will be endangering every medical responder you have contact with. You going to proud of yourself
if you infect and kill a nurse who is mother to two?

It's not all about you.

 

Yet

us Truck drivers have to keep working to keep America supplied

 

It’s from a disease that started back in the mid ‘90s during the Clinton Administration. This disease is more widespread and even more deadlier than Coronavirus. This disease has been slowly eating away at America for nearly 30 years. This disease is very contagious yet appears to be asymptomatic to conservatives. This disease is called Pussitis.

Pussitis noun

a disease in which the infected believes the gov’t supples everything.

a disease in which the infected place blame for all of life’s shortfalls on the gov’t.

a disease in which the infected become lazy and dependent on gov’t handouts.

a disease in which the infected believe that the participation trophy is more important than the hard work, preparation and training to achieve the victory.

and finally a disease in which a large group actually thinks that Joe Biden can lead America

 

Tomfoolery at it's best.

 

It's hard to get away from considering I work in the profession.

 

Your alleged anecdotes [which I don't believe anyway] do not qualify as a conclusion. And as usual you don't have any facts.

Nobody serious is talking about waiting 18 months. That is a crackpot claim.

 

Democrats told us. They see COVID-19 as an opportunity to take back the Whitehouse and take the Senate. Several Democrat politicians have admitted that. From an unelected bureaucrat standpoint, even if they weren't Democrats, fascist control is their nervana. Birx has stated how delighted she is that she can control Americans who used to enjoy liberty. For the Democrat politicians, though, getting back to normal is just one more failure in their long list of attacks against Trump and freedom loving Americans who elected him.

 

It's a sign of how politicized the country is today. People have had their brains rotted by Trump-hate, and now they're just angry political bots waiting for their daily reboot.

If Trump had recommended waiting longer to restart the country, you can bet Democrats would have suddenly been in favor of an immediate reopening, and faster than you could say "Pelosi sucks" they'd suddenly be worried about the economy too, go figure.

Trump's proposal is actually very reasonable, to anyone open minded enough to review it with a clear head.

 

I didn't come up with crapola like:

"..were on their last legs anyway"
"As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?"
"Why are 80+ years old deaths counted" (Thread title on THIS forum).

No, that's all your side. And you own it, because you encourage people like O'Reilly to spew such antisocial BS in return for ratings.

 

My guess it’s being framed like that. Nobody wants the “economy” down. That just is bad politics, but the pandemic exists and you have to keep people safe during it. So you have to have social distancing. What the op described is just what the democrats think too.

It’s like saying the republicans like vanilla ice cream and the democrats like French vanilla. The devil is in the details but reasonable so. My guess? It’s jusr being framed like this because trump needs the economy to run on to win re-election. Really. If you look at Trump prior to this his big selling point is the economy. Now that he doesn’t have that he doesn’t know what to do and needs it back. What were feeling is that fear of him losing messing with us.

 

The political or party divide doesn't surprise me one bit. After all any thing proposed by a Republican is automatically opposed by the Democrats along with anything proposed by a Democrat being automatically opposed by the Republicans. This is one of the main reasons both major parties disgust the heck out of me.

As for opening back up, I think that should be solely left to the governors, probably at much lower levels such as mayors and county commissioners as the number of Virus cases vary state to state and even county to county. Well over half of all cases in Georgia are around and in the Atlanta Metro Area, the counties in south Georgia and in the foothills of the mountains in the north have had relative few.

It would make sense to me to open up county by county or piecemeal. It makes little sense to me for all of Georgia to wait on the Atlanta area.

 

And what about the statistics that show the suicide rate goes up dramatically for every uptick of the unemployed? What about all of the mental anguish that come with being confined to close quarters? What about all the so called "non essential procedures" that are postponed indefinitely causing potential complications in the future? What about all the medical personnel that are jobless because of the postponement of those procedures? How you going to replace them suddenly when the economy is broke and you need to pick back up the pace?
See, you are only playing on the fear from one end. Is it because you just want to break our system economically? I think that is the case. Government control and socialism is your end game. You give no chance to individual freedom and individual strength which has made this Nation great from the beginning.

How do you come up with the idea "if you get sick you endanger responders"? Isn't that a risk all responders take? Getting this China virus isn't a death sentence for healthy responders. If they have complications that put them at high risk, they shouldn't be in the game. You are just using excuses to use fear to your advantage. We aren't going to be fooled. "Never let a crisis go to waste"! This is the battle cry of those that want to "Socialize America"!!!

 

I think many states are like what you describe. Here in Arkansas, most cases are concentrated near Little Rock but where I am, we have had one case in the county (and it was someone who travels to Little rock weekly for son's medical care), we're several hours north of Little Rock. With that said, our cases statewide are extremely low compared to the rest of country.

 

Why don't right wingers put the balme where it is deserved? GOD. I have heard right wingers say it is our heathen ways, that GOD is judging, that brought us this pandemic, so instead of blaming Dems, and libs, why don't they just BLAME GOD?

Is the coronavirus God's judgment? Pastor weighs in

According to the biblical narrative, there's a brokenness in this world that's existed since ancient times. Since the fall from Grace -- the turning away from God in the Garden of Eden -- all the bad stuff we encounter entered the world: disease, death, destruction, murder and a whole list of sins is the reality of the world we live in. But, says Keller, God is sovereign, which means he's in control. And His greatest priority is our welfare. But disasters will happen.

"It's just a way, I do think, for God to try to wake us up and to say, please make sure you're right with me," Keller explained. "Please think, think about, you know, where you are. So there's a sense in which all these kinds of disasters are a judgment, but a judgment that's not on the people who are suffering."
https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-update-christian-question-god-judgment

 

I'm a "right winger" and I'm agnostic. Please just try to stay relevant.

 

I agree. In Florida, we have something like 15 counties with less than 10 cases each (3 of those counties only have 1 case each) ....... and then we have south Florida with over 9000 cases just in Dade County (Miami.) Broward County, which borders Dade, has almost 4000 cases. Logic says a county-by-county approach might make more sense in Florida than a statewide approach.

Spreading the burden of the decision making will also hopefully take some of the politicization out of the process. Letting everyone have input ---- from Trump down to the governors down to the individual counties ---- spreads the responsibility, mitigates some of the politicization, and most importantly it should lead to better decision making because it includes the people more directly "on the front lines" of their specific area. For example, Taylor County has 1 case. It has the Gulf on one side, and then it neighbors 4 counties with a total of 44 cases between all 4 counties. Taylor County might be eager to reopen. Meanwhile the rest of the world would probably be like "where the heck is Taylor County and why do we care?"

 

With the political Left it's easy to figure them out. They know that if you give a pro capitalist business man like Trump the rest of the year to get the crashed economy up and running again then he automatically wins re-election; and so to have even an outside chance of senile Biden winning, the economy MUST remain in the gutter . . . regardless of how many people it hurts.

As long as they can get away with blaming Trump for the suffering that their policy pushes cause, they are golden. Of course the problem with their approach is that not enough people are blaming Trump for any of this since clearly it was the leftist loyal MSM and Dem Party leaders who panicked the nation into crashing the economy in the first place.