Climate Activist Greta

sigh. Does it really bother you that I live in a subdivision? If it helps when I used to live up north I had 10 Acres but it was cold as hell and the taxes were ridiculous.

shutters are about 2k to the total cost on a 250k home and meet the 02 code. impact windows are 15k, same result just more money. best analogy I have is smart car vs tesla.

roof straps are maybe $300 new construction $800 on a retrofit.

As you mentioned earlier material shortages are probably more impactful on the cost of building a new home than mitigation requirements, and at least as far as my area is concerned the mitigation requirements only change every couple of decades, and it's just tweaked.

Overall there's been very little change in Construction materials and techniques in my lifetime.

 

A 250k home 20 feet from your neighbor with 15 k upgrades ? Wow. Things have change significantly in the last 20 years. The flooding hasn’t increased hasnt increased either I suppose. But you’re not worried.....nothing will change in Fla over the next decade.
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Yep the bulk of my city is 1/4 acre or 1/3 acre lots until you get to the edge of the city then they get bigger. My neighbors are quite close.

The only thing that's changed is the value of the homes is gradually gone up.

250k would be a pretty basic smaller home and mitigation costs add approx 1-2% minimum, but you can spend 5-10% on mitigation if you want the latest tech.

 

Chronic flooding in Florida without weather events is expected in the next two decades.
The flooding in Florida in many areas has gone up 350% since 2000 and there’s nothing you can do about it. You’ll be affected, dramatically on that event alone. But keep living in your bubble.

 

Tell me another way you can get from one place to another and use less oil per passenger mile. Do you expect people who believe in climate change to visit their parents in Florida by riding a mule ? They have no choice. Pertrolium use is a structural problem. Your car would not survive the first winter storm here and we can’t wo fossil fuels. But it has changed big time in the last 20 years.

 

source? I'd like to read that. we've had minimal issues locally but I know older coastal communities like miami struggle but that's because back in the day we built stuff at 5' above sea level, which was pretty dumb.

 

are you in canada? <my favorite place to visit (in the summer)

my car would be fine, but admittedly they last longer in Florida, I'll never buy a used northern car, winter is hard on metal.

 

Ha ha
Do your own research. I’m not here to Give you a science lesson or do your research for you. You obviously live in a shell.

You guys are totally uninformed about how five feet in height will save you from one inch of seas level rise. Laughable.

Chronic flooding will become the norm ......that’s flooding that occurs with the tides.
Once it begins breaching natural barriers, your taxes and insurance will make you a pauper. If you’re so disinterested as to not research it, you deserve what you get.

 

Not quite. No, your car wouldn’t last the first snow storm. That’s the only reason you can have 20 year old junkers....in Florida.
No, we border Canada. Funny, there is no mass exodus from Canada to get our healthcare system.

 

What a pile of BS. I live in So.Fla. and we're doing just fine. None of your dooms day scenarios have come true - none - not even a little bit.

 

WHOA!

I remember that! That scared the crap out of me when I was a kid. Spock lied to me!

It was adults lying to kids back then, but now we have kids lying to kids.

 

I do (everyone actually) agree that some portions of Miami and older towns along the coast are a bit screwed but that is primarily due to lack of foresight going back decades, building codes have been significantly modified going back to the early 80's when they joined the NFIP and again in 08 raising building elevation requirements and now in 18' most coastal towns including my own have begun freeboarding as well but the properties at 5' right along the coast are obviously at risk, that's on them, the majority of those properties will eventually flood (just a question of which decade) and likely not be able to be rebuilt or if they are allowed to it will be on stilts, but they have time and they are all pretty dam old buildings anyway, its a risk building right on the ocean, especially barrier islands.

I'm quite familiar with building codes and ongoing mitigation efforts in my state, being as its related to my occupation but I haven't seen any stats that you were quoting so we'll just let that be.

I think i'm done with all this so its time to wrap it up, feel free to have the last word and take care.

 

I tend to agree, but I did honestly admit that those older properties are at risk, like the old homes right off the A1A in laudy daudy for example, but again that was due to lack of long term planning and the 1 or 2 inches of sea level rise over the past few decades haven't affected them one bit. I'm on the West Coast and we have our share of similar developments right on the beach with no fill at 5' and they will eventually have issues but its still quite some time away. I read a report on Ft Myers that projected (worst case) 5" increase by 2030, which won't be an issue but if it progresses eventually it will be a serious problem but already we've seen a huge chunk of them torn down a rebuilt higher and that will continue. Once you get a mile or two from the beach the natural grade pushes elevations up to 8, 9, 10' by default and they have much much less to worry about at least in the next several decades.

I'll give the doom & gloom crowd credit for at least being smart enough to push back their projections to 2050 or 2100, they at least learned the lesson from Al Gore & co's projections for 2015 which all turned out wrong and set back the "movement" big time because we can now call them out for their obvious errors <and that's putting it lightly.

 

That world renowned climate scientist, AOC, claims 12 years.

 

Why can’t a 20 year old car survive a snowstorm? That’s nuts.

 

Exactly which predictions.
There are no major science organizations, universities or government agencies in ANY COUNTRY that did not take climate change prognosis if Gore seriously, then and now. Al Gore was not and us not a scientist. He just echoed what science was saying then and what it is saying now.
. “As expected, 2018 was the fourth-hottest year on record globally, and another near-record year for U.S. weather and climate disasters. All of the years on record that were hotter or more disaster-filled came in the past decade.”

 

You’re not very observant. Where are you from.
It’s a 20 year old Floridian car. Dah.

 

Somewhere it snows all winter some years and gets down to -20F regularly. Why would a 20 year old Florida car be different than one where I live except possibly better cosmetically?

A well maintained 20 year old car is equivalent to a new car 20 years ago. Did you just get cars where you live in the last 20 years?

 

I've owned a number of vehicles, in the various places I've lived. NE PA, a 15 year old Geo... did just fine in the snow. The ice was treacherous, however. NY State 10 year old Chevy Nova (with a cracked head) survived 3 winters. Now in TN - 17 year old Toyota Tacoma, doing just fine.

Virtually any vehicle can survive winters, if they are well taken care of.

 

Funny...I had a Chevy Nova back in high school and now drive a Tacoma.

 

Laughable. Nope. A Floridian car, even with a relatively new battery, will not have the CCA in their batteries to start in sub zero weather, sold mostly in northern climates and neither will they have the tires to go twenty feet in snow. The lower cca batteries are better for heat, not cold. If the driver has only Floridian driving experience, for get it. He’ll not make it 20 feet in any car,

Florida is the haven for junker cars.

 

Ha ha....PA does not count. This is a car prepared for Florida.
I’ve had plenty of ten year old cars that did fine in snow and cold weather. But 20 year old prepared for Florida....they don’t even require yearly inspections. Tennessee ? Laughable winters.

 

That little Nova held up pretty good considering how bad a hack mechanic screwed it up. Billowing black clouds, but it made it where she was going, a gallon of gas and 4 quarts of oil, thanks.

The '02 Tacoma has been terrific, but she's tired now and I use her for special outings. Almost lost her on ice a few years back, but she spun me 540 degrees, and dropped off onto grass without hitting anything. I've learned about cinder blocks in the bed since then.

 

My Tacoma is 2012 so I have a lot more years to go before it starts to get tired and act up.

 

So 10 feet of snow in 7 days doesn't count, or -38 degrees not including wind chill doesn't count. Pennsylvania (northeast) doesn't exactly have light winters.