Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change

I know - here you do not have to have a licence to drive one or even adequate vision. Mind you father had macular degeneration and when we tackled him about why he was still driving a car he replied “I have a Sat Nav” my reply? “A Sat Nav is not a freaking guide dog!!”

Elderly people driving at 5K an hour down the middle of suburban streets is becoming increasingly an issue

Can’t wait to join them

 

yeahi won't buy a car that expensive, that's stupid.

Yeah they had to start the cult of iLife. Building a religion around a crappy product is more difficult than tapping into one that already exists.

Because they don't have the buy in cult apple does and they risk losing their stranglehold on peoples throats.

right now sure. When they decide to sell to Ford or GM or even worse stilantis, they'll **** the ever loving **** out of the owners.

If you like that sort of thing have fun I don't judge.

 

How are you proposing that supply is an issue here? Manufacturers are turning out cars as fast as they can. There isn't some sort of manipulation of supply going on. And, that wouldn't make sense. They profit by selling more cars.

You are constantly ignoring that there is far less maintenance to do.

So, the very fact that they are creating EVs means that there is less maintenance "cash cow". Your proposal for nefarious deeds by manufacturers doesn't make sense.

Plus, as I pointed out Tesla is doing software maintenance without requiring shop time. Customers just find out that their car has improved.

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What maintenance do you want to do on an EV???

Plus, only a fraction of customers are at all interested in maintaining their own vehicles.

 

LOL!! Love that!

My golf car sized EV that is street legal is limited by regulation to low speed city streets - 35mph or less. I wouldn't be legal anywhere else, and by regulation slowing traffic excessively would be an offense.

 

All you seem to have is hate.

You don't have to buy an EV.

Right now, they are pretty expensive. After all, there is significant new technology and design involved. But, they are still in demand.

 

that's right slay your strawman seems to be the only thing you're good at.

I never said there was some stupid non-argument noted I guess.

it's not that I am ignoring them it's that they're just unfounded claims.

They can make whatever maintenance interval they want and they can make your car go into limp mode if you don't do it. This is a scam auto manufacturers have been doing for decades.

You can believe they're not going to do it with a car they have absolute control over I just don't.

So I'm not ignoring you I understand you have fallen for this scam I'm just telling you it's a scam.

so the car manufacturers who allowed children to burn to death in a car they manufactured knowing that that could happen just to save money, who have been in dire straits for 10 years are all the sudden going to say no we don't want your money.

Boy they got you good don't they.

I understand you don't want to believe you've been scammed but you have been that's how we know it's a good scam because it works

I don't care if it makes sense to you it's a fact look up the history of the Ford pinto.

The manufacturer new that that problem could cause death teenagers burned to death and that car because of their negligence and the reason for not correcting the problem was because it was too expensive.

These people are willing to let your children burn to death in a car just to save a penny.

It's not nefarious it's indifferent.


So you can deny this fact that actually happened and that more than one car manufacturer has done or you can remove your head from your anus and think.

I know you're all misty-eyed over the evil Darth Vader oil companies getting their comeuppance some sort of party vengeance or whatever stupid reason you have for that but you are being blinded with your own rage against a snake that you are letting into your garden.

You can blame me all you want to excuse yourself for simping for your billionaire overloads.

Learn about the pinto and see what your gods really are. Or be lazy and keep believing whatever mess you want.

so by the Tesla and pray to God that Elon musk never sells it to one of the global congruence most assured that he will.

I just had to have computer work done on my car? Do EVs not have computers? In fact the only time I ever had to have the stealership rip me off of when their computer components failed.

Are you really believing they somehow stopped making garbage computer components for electric vehicles?

What is your rationale for that? And remember you advised me to take it up the tail pipe by getting ripped off for a crappy Ford lightning so don't point to Tesla I don't want a luxury sedan.

When you have no access to them you won't have a choice.

They could make factory specific tires that if you don't have on your vehicle could cause it to go into limp mode like they've done for years with other components they can charge you 2k a piece for them and you would have no choice.

 

Contempt more like it. I tend to have contempt for con artists.

I would sooner have horse and buggy than be done billionaires sugar daddy.

There isn't much technology most of it has been around for a century.

You're paying for rich people's caviar when you buy them. You can do that if it's your thing. I don't judge.

 

Never thought of science as a tribe before.

The usual word used is community, as in communities of scientists.

Uga booga!

 

but you probably make a habit of thinking about tribe as science something a lot of people do.

I've known worked with a number of scientists and they don't seem to be a community to me.

Overarching ideas that appeal to tribalism seems to fabricate a non-existent community.

For instance the debunked 97% of scientists that agree with some arbitrary survey.

What's his people feel they're entitled to their own facts and they call it science and appeal to scientists but I doubt they know either.

 

It's part of history, actually.

But you get bonus points for weird BS.

 

See previous post.

 

To come up with that Cook et al had to eliminate 96% of the published research in the field. They only included articles that had "man made climate change" in the abstract, and then surveyed the authors, of which less than 50% responded, and the question was

"Do you think climate change is more than 50% man made"

A good dozen of the authors said they misrepresented their work.

97% was laughable then, but it accomplished the task at hand because people still refer to the headlines which is what most only read, rinse and repeat.

 

Biogas converters are being used all over the country now. 900 dollars American will get you 3 hours of cooking gas from a home digester. That's the cheapest one I saw.

 

EVs exist today. This isn't a hypothetical.

 

Agreed it's debunked

 

Pointless off topic response noted I guess

 

No, it points to the fact that your claims are NOT seen in what customers experience today.

 

Unfortunately it did it's damage. Like the newest fabrication published in a journal that tells the vaccinated that the unholy unvaccinated are going to get them!

 

I wouldn't mind one that didn't require more fossil fuels to be used in production or in energy creation, like the ones from the 20's and ones that won't have a kill switch. Musk's EV's are garbage.

 

EV owners buy electricity at free market prices, just like gas vehicle owners buy gas at free market prices. You can't justify your "more fossil fuel" claim. In fact, natural gas and clean energy sources are certainly doing less environmental damage than are cars that run on oil converted to gas.

There are lots of EV manufacturers. I don't know your problem with Musk, but he does not provide the only choice.

 

BS. I've driven cars built by automotive manufacturers for years so I'm a customer and this has been my experience the only difference between me and you is I know a little more about it because I worked in the field.

I've worked as a maintenance technician at a dealership and I remember all of the bullshit they would charge customers for. Do you like most people who own cars in don't work on them you have no idea what you're paying for.

Ignorance is a bliss I suppose.

 

yes it did I view it as a scam.

A few people get together and tell the world that scientists think of this and they don't challenge it not challenging it is the con. And that absolutely did do damage, but it isn't going to work with quite the fact next time.

Some ass clown saying what he thinks and then just blurting out that scientists agree with him as though that can't be challenged only works once or twice.

I really don't think many people believe that lie. Maybe it's just where I live.

It seems like about February or March last year here everybody collectively gave the middle finger to covid restrictions. Because largely they didn't believe it. Outside of hospitals and government facilities nobody participated in the stupidity.

But I do live in Texas and the people here might be different than other places.

 

You were complaining about Ford in particular, not all gas cars.

Then, you decided to accuse EV manufacturers on the basis of your complaints about Ford!!

That doesn't work. And, it ESPECIALLY doesn't work, as EVs require significantly less shop time.

Then, you pointed out that you can maintain your own vehicle (which makes sense as you did that professionally, unlike the vast majority of car owners).

But, your maintenance undoubtedly involved ignition timing, plugs if you've got'em, oil changes, transmission fluid, lead-acid battery testing, coolant system examination for contaminants/pressurization, possibly cleaning injectors, etc.

But, EVs don't even have ANY of that stuff!!

I'm fine with you not buying an EV, but let's be reasonable about comparing factors.

 

no I'm using Ford as an example. I've owned GM's I've owned Chryslers and I've worked for Toyota and Chrysler and Volkswagen they all do this.

I simply mentioned for it because everybody knows about the pinto.

Ford is an easy manufacturer. So is GM so is Volkswagen some of his Mercedes so is Porsche so is Hyundai.

why would they require less shop time?

You keep saying this as though it's some sort of religious ritual to repeat it.

The primary issues I have had with repairing vehicles had to do with computer controls. Not maintenance do electric vehicles have computer controls yes or no?

Do you think the nincompoops that have failed to make them properly for 30 years while suddenly get better because you don't have to buy gasoline?

If so you are more gullible than I ever imagined.

right and the Vesta majority of car owners can go to any shop they like forcing the dealership to be competitive.

If you take that away they have no reason to be competitive anymore.

You are arguing for automotive oligopolies. Because you rage at oil companies.

I've worked on other people's cars for quite a long time I don't do it anymore. Because I was experienced and knowledgeable I didn't do the maintenance that's what you pay a cheap people to do so most of what I did most of what I did when I was freelanced is repairs.

75% of automotive repairs had to do with electrical components. I would often joke with other mechanics that I'm not really a mechanic I am a tech guy and an electrician.

When you take the primary components that fail in a car and make a car out of nothing but that and not let just anybody work on it it's probably going to be in the shop a lot.

they don't have any electronical components or computer components then what do they run on pixie farts?

You have no concept of any of the factors you're discussing.

The only Factor you know is "duh I don't have to buy fossil fuel directly anymore duh..."

And the other Factor you have is that increasing demand on electricity six times will not increase the cost of it.

 

I've repeated this over and over again.

EVs have FAR fewer moving parts and systems. Thus far less maintenance is required.

The computer controls in gas cars have a lot to do with controlling heat, timing and other aspects of systems the EVs don't have.

What "noncompoops" are you talking about?

Auto manufacturers face the same public, though they may address different sectors.

I have no idea what that means.

Every manufacturer has to be competitive. Period.

Tell me about the electrical components that control stuff that an EV has.

OK, back to the ad hom, I guess.