Climate change: February was hottest month on record as 'exceptional' Nasa shows

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  1. AFM

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    Yes he is - but his war on coal is much more agressive than his war on ISIS.
     
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    Rand Paul: Resist ‘Global Warming Extremism’

    “We also need to say we don’t need people representing us who have some sort of religious fervor that they believe in this global warming extremism."

    He also lamented the federal government for subsidizing foreigners to come to the U.S. for space camp when there are Americans who cannot afford space camp.

    “We spent $250,000 on 24 Pakistani students to come to space camp in Alabama. Well, there are Kentucky kids who can’t afford to go to space camp in Alabama. What in the world are we doing spending money on foreign kids to come to this country? Now if you’ve got extra money and you want to donate it, fine,” he said.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2016/04/02/rand-paul-resist-global-warming-extremism/2/

    Good points. Don't elect Global Warming Extremists, and if you going to give space camp scholarships to young people, give them to OUR young people, not Pakistanis.
     
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    well that happens cause no one is paying attention and don't care.
     
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    Meanwhile, in the real world keeps refusing to comply with denier conspiracy rants. The March 2016 global average temperature anomaly will end up a little below February's. That will make it the second hottest month ever, and easily the hottest March ever.

    This, of course, will bring about a new torrent of conspiracy theories from the usual suspects about how everything is faked. That's why most people, when confronted with deniers, just spin a finger around their ear, smile and walk away.
     
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    Let me know when Obama starts authorizing drone strikes on coal power plants.
     
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    Drones are not needed - he's got the EPA, a pen, a phone, and a veto proof Senate.
     
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    he's already done it, where have you been?
     
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    well from wikipekia:

    "Polar vortices are weaker during summer and strongest during winter. Individual vortices can persist for more than a month.[9] Extratropical cyclones that occlude and migrate into higher latitudes create cold-core lows within the polar vortex.[11] Volcanic eruptions in the tropics lead to a stronger polar vortex during the winter for as long as two years afterwards.[12] The strength and position of the cyclone shapes the flow pattern across the hemisphere of its influence. "

    Due to volcanic eruptions. So what else were you thinking?
     
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    El Niño. One of the things that changes the jet stream.
     
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    Wow, there's some Mann-splainin' there. All the buzz words - "denier cospiracy rants", "hottest month ever", "hottest March ever", "deniers", "everything is faked", "conspiracy theories", etc....
     
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    It's a weakening not strengthening of the polar vortex that causes it to wander so far from home.
     
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    Volcanic eruptions strengthen the polar vortex, keeping the cold air over the arctic and causing warmer winters over the Northern hemisphere.

    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2000RvGeo..38..191R

    You're misinterpreting my question. The extra energy in the form of stratospheric heat is what weakens the polar vortex allowing the cold air to migrate south from the arctic.

    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140902/ncomms5646/full/ncomms5646.html#author-information
     
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    Ozone depletion occurs within the polar vortices. Why do you hate the ozone layer? It's Volcanic eruptions in the tropics that lead to a stronger polar vortex during the winter and our tropical volcanic activity has subsided for a few years. Are you for more tropical volcanoes?

    Perhaps you would be happier with Saturn's south pole hot polar vortex?
     
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    Not all factors are understood causing the change from zonal flow to meridianal flow and back but volcanos and El Nino's do affect it. Even then they never affect it in the same way. El Nino's are sun fueled and wind driven. Volcanos are mantel driven. Neither have anything to do with CO2.
     
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    Then how does 'never before seen' spring snowfall in Caribbean islands relate to February being the hottest month on record?

    - - - Updated - - -

    You think any of this is news to climate science or being ignored by climate models? Still, neither one of these can explain the warming trend over the last century.
     
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    sure, right. Not. Again, I challenge you to post the location that was above average.
     
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    Climate models cannot model what is not understood. Even you should realize that.
     
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    Can you explain how gravity works? Neither can scientists, yet NASA is able to put spacecraft into orbit around planets millions of miles away after slingshotting them around other planets. The whole purpose of computer models is to approximate systems which we don't understand fully. And science shows that climate models make the best approximations of actual climate only when they account for the warming caused by human CO2 emissions.
     
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    Logical fallacy. ENSO is not modeled. They cannot predict ENSO which has one of the largest effects on world weather. All of the effects that change the jet stream, which gave us the melt in Greenland in 2012 and the freezing temperatures this week in the Eastern US are not understood. You cannot model what you don't know.
     
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    You'll have to wait another month for March's data, but it probably won't be much different from February's. The locations that are above average are the ones in red if you couldn't tell.
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    Warm spike caused by El Nino and temperature has already spiked. Now, where do you think that extra warmth the sun fueled Pacific dumped into the atmosphere goes?
     
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    There are methods for estimating systems that we don't understand, and studies show that when climate models get ENSO correct, they do a good job of estimating temperatures too.
     
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    Going Zen on me? How does warm relate to cold?
    Climate models are low quality video games, programming that reflects the programmer. As predictive tools, they don't. They don't even backtest particularly well or far.

    If you want a rock solid record of how Warm Earth Conditions affect earth, look at the fossil record. It's a hard record, nobody is monkeying with it, it's not politicized. It just exists and it tells the truth. There is nothing unusual about warm earth conditions, we are in an ice age, the vast history of earth is "not in an ice age" and we don't have to guess what that is like, we have a massive fossil record of warm earth conditions. An no, it's not this silliness that the Alarmists pedal us.

    Go study the fossil record, a warm earth is one filled with life. A cold earth is filled with death. Anyone who tells you different, send them to the fossil record. ("But I have this cool computer program that I built myself!")
     

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