Company offers to build 234 miles of border wall for $1.4 billion

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    You'll have to ask the Democrats. I cannot speak for others.
     
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  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We are in almost in agreement. The actual distance of the wall built is about 700 miles. So they need to add more funding.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was completed, whether it was 600, or 700, I do not remember. Why do you think even Trump asked the Congress to write new bill to authorize new projects?
     
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    You asked about the amount of wall built.

    First this is the law.

    https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061026-1.html

    Fact Sheet: The Secure Fence Act of 2006





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    "This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."

    - President George W. Bush, 10/26/06

    Today, President Bush Signed The Secure Fence Act - An Important Step Forward In Our Nation's Efforts To Control Our Borders And Reform Our Immigration System. Earlier this year, the President laid out a strategy for comprehensive immigration reform. The Secure Fence Act is one part of this reform, and the President will work with Congress to finish the job and pass the remaining elements of this strategy.

    The Secure Fence Act Builds On Progress Securing The Border

    By Making Wise Use Of Physical Barriers And Deploying 21st Century Technology, We Can Help Our Border Patrol Agents Do Their Job And Make Our Border More Secure. The Secure Fence Act:

    • Authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our Southern border;
    • Authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting to help prevent people from entering our country illegally;
    • Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce our infrastructure at the border.
    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Begins With Securing The Border. Since President Bush took office, we have:

    • More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year;
    • Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office;
    • Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol;
    • Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers;
    • Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; and
    • We are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end "catch and release" at our Southern border.
    This Act Is One Part Of Our Effort To Reform Our Immigration System, And We Have More Work To Do

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Enforce Our Immigration Laws Inside America. It is against the law to knowingly hire illegal workers, so the Administration has stepped up worksite enforcement. Many businesses want to obey the law, but cannot verify the legal status of their employees because of the widespread problem of document fraud, so the President has also called on Congress to create a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility.

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Reduce The Pressure On Our Border By Creating A Lawful Path For Foreign Workers To Enter Our Country On A Temporary Basis. A temporary worker program would meet the needs of our economy, reduce the appeal of human smugglers, make it less likely that people would risk their lives to cross the border, and ease the financial burden on State and local governments by replacing illegal workers with lawful taxpayers. Above all, a temporary worker program would add to our security by making certain we know who is in our country and why they are here.

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Face The Reality That Millions Of Illegal Immigrants Are Here Already. The President opposes amnesty but believes there is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation. Illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, pay their taxes, learn English, work in a job for a number of years, and wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law.

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Honor The Great American Tradition Of The Melting Pot.Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language. When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams, renew our spirit, and add to the unity of America.

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    It continues the wall. It is not a new law, but appropriations as best as I can explain.
     
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    hence the urgency of the wall & keeping your " DEMOGRAPHIC voting BLOCK out... :)
     
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    The Secure Fence Act of 2006 authorized 700 miles. That's it. The Congress said they would follow up with new laws to reform immigration etc, but they didn't. Too bad. That is why they are debating it today. Either way, the Congress denied the funds, so Trump grabbed it from the military budget.
     
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    I posted the fact sheet on the wall for you.

    You are saying that was all the wall needed and so congress stopped at 700 miles. The thrust of the fence is to protect the entire border, not just 700 miles of it.
     
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    Well, you had a chance for a wall when you controlled all the branches of government. But even if you somehow built an impenetrable wall immediately, it wouldn't stop the demographic changes going on: the GOP base is significantly older and whiter than the Dem's. That can be overcome with outreach to young/minorities, but the opposite is going on.
     
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    What is your authority to make such a claim?
     
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    I need authority to make claims here?

    Are you asking what my proof is for the claim?
     
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    I am not saying what was "needed", I am stating the fact that the law authorized 700 miles. That is what they wrote on the bill. It passed Senate 80–19, and the project was completed by Bush and Obama. If more needs to be built, the Congress will have to authorize the money. It was not a blank check for any future project.
     
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    Republicans could try appealing a little less to the Tiki torch crowd and they wouldn't have so much to worry about.
     
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    Egads, defending them from fraud charges must be a full time job. Of course they are Darth Cheney's company and therefore protected from lawsuits.
     
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    He should build it simply because he said he would at a cost of tens of billions sounds like you are veering away from fiscally conservative for this one.

    Tell employers they have two years to stop enabling illegal immigration and hire American or go to prison and most of our immigration problems will be solved. We wont need most of the detention centers or the logistics involved. Some people will keep them in protest but most wont risk loosing everything and going to prison.

    If you end up loving any politician from reading a book about them its because that book is cherry picked carefully worded half truths wrote by someone who is an expert at making you feel good and inspired by his writing and is not written by the name on the book.

    I don't believe there have been many leaders that haven't been narcissists or sociopaths both of which are very good at garnering trust and or the worship of other people.

    I don't get any of my information from propaganda books. When bush said that we were going to get bin laden I was all for it, my family and friends were all for it and I had a bunch of friends and family join the military. When bush started begging for us to go to iraq screwing over all the friends and family who were supposed to be going after bin laden not dying for his stock portfolio that's when I started hating him. If we were going to split our forces then not only was north korea was bragging that they were building weapons of mass destruction but were ruled by asian trump and bush kept pushing for iraq anyway. That pile of crap made the world a less safer place and killed Americans for profit. Its all fairly obvious if you know that politicians arn't good guys and bad guys they are bad guys and worse guys.
     
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    Their wall.... it's not going in the ground. You can tunnel under it really easy. lol
     
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    We republicans hate to punish people when they hire others. Why do we hate this? Plainly it is wrong. Employers hire workers. Workers hire employes. Employers that hire workers, illegal ones, would go to jail. Then the problem is, the government does not have a good rule on illegals. It leaves out the vast majority of companies due to them being smaller ones. The wife hiring a domestic cleaning woman is not worried. She is exempt from the law. But reading the above rhetoric tells me that if the Feds prevent the illegals, she will not have to hire an illegal nor will one be available to her. And reading the above said poster wants her in jail and not the illegal who broke the law.

    As to my comments on Bush. I cited the books by the men who waged war. And the notion presented it was our troops waging all out war in Afghanistan shows the ignorance of the true war. I thought I pointed out who waged war in Afghanistan. It was the public against their government. A civil war. All Bush did vis General Tommy Franks was to pay a lot of money to them so they could arm and off they went to beat the Taliban. They were a lot less interested in Bin Laden than Bush was but the men of our Air Force bombed the living hell out of the areas they heard Bin Laden was in. Bin Laden was not tied down. He had ways to move about. The M other of all Bombs killed many Afghanistanis but missed him. A+ for trying.

    There was no splitting forces. The majority were sent to Iraq due to Saddam. Guess who created a law to get rid of Saddam? Did you guess Bill Clinton? Probably not. But he drew the line in the sand to get rid of Saddam Hussein. Bush took care of Business. Oh Franks lost a lot of troops?

    Franks lost maybe 130 in Iraq. Each death brings sadness to all of us. I lost an uncle to war for Truman and he did not win his war in a month. Franks won his war. Then it became defense by the locals. They got attacked. We had our military hanging around so we went out of our way to help them defeat those awful people who apparently liked Saddam. But he was hanged by Iraqis. Anyway, Franks managed a brilliant pair of wars and General DeLong in the second book came forth to testify how brilliant it was.

    I did not read either book to validate Bush. All I wanted was the full facts allowed as a non secret to explain what happened. I found General Franks very honest as he explained it was he and not Colin Powell running the war. He and not the Chiefs of Staff planning things. He managed to completely coordinate all forces like other generals had not done prior. Even with a major dust storm that lasted a long time in Iraq, he managed to fight past that.

    Compare his 130 dead in combat to the D day losses of Eisenhower. I dare you to compare the two invasions.
     
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    Fisher counters that as nonsense. They have detectors in the wall that can detect tunneling as close as 2 feet. They planned to stop the tunneling. They would detect any diggers and our men would be on the US side with bells on to arrest the invaders.
     
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    It's an amazing process to watch!
     
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    Doesn't sound like they don't have any experience. Just the opposite. And, how hard is it to build a wall? Good grief! Is this all liberals have to object with?
     
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    Do you know that hiring illegal immigrants makes you a criminal? As I said they have 2 years to stop enabling illegal immigration and hire American or go to prison, if she continues to blatantly break the law she should go to prison.

    There were plains made to remove Saddam Hussein so we could put in a new puppet in before desert storm.

    Do you know where Americans didn't need to die at all for any reason?
    Iraq.
    Do you know where we didn't need to waste 2 trillion dollars?
    Iraq.
     
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    Do you know that your typical person is not GOVERNMENT, lacks the billions to nab illegals and once finds one can't get a Democrat to arrest any of them.

    You sound a lot like a typical Democrat since to you all solutions impose a law on humans you do not even know.

    You do not allow a bank robber a 2 year grace period to stop robbing banks. Do you get it yet?

    CA would never enforce a law like yours for the simple reason they would be to prevent voters from voting. Voters to a Democrat includes those currently living in Havana or in Honduras.

    You needed to talk to Clinton for the Iraq policy since he was so angry at Saddam he kept bombing him as well as using our navy and perhaps our Air Force to fly over his nation on patrols. Do we do this to Canada? And was that for free?

    If you want to blame somebody for Iraq, perhaps you start with the first Bush president since at that time he was not following the later Clinton law on Iraq.

    Blaming Bush 43 is plain unwise and wrong. And no he never said Iraq would nuke any country. He said Saddam is a grave and gathering danger.

    Listen to the true Bush comments on Iraq and not the fabricated comments from the media or Democrats.

     
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    With the wall, do any of you have the slightest clue how much this country saves fighting drugs through the border? Can they run guns here to help their gangs? Be a lot harder won't it?

    Some say ... they bring them through the border points? Perhaps they do. But why do you believe the open borders get ignored by the drug runners? Think they love the hassle at the border checkpoints?
     
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    I will congratulate you for one thing you said.

    Illegal immigrants. I suggest next time you get more accurate.

    Immigrants follow the law. They fill out papers and talk to authorities and are here legally.

    Illegal migrants simply cross into the nation and are not compliant with law.

    Let's get after the illegals and quit going after our working citizens.

    The current employment law only applies to big companies. Guess what? They have citizens hired as workers in HR. So if they violate the law, they go to jail, not the company.
     

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