Compare Israel To Hamas

I think more likely he gets it straight from Hamas.

 

Palestinian authority is HAMAS

 

Where is your compassion for the women raped by the IDF?

 

We?

Are you Israeli?

 

The same as you getting your Oct 7 figures from IDF.

What's the problem here, good for the goose and gander.

 

A drone filmed the vehicles and a commander said one of the aid workers was carrying a gun. Firstly, it wasn't a gun. Secondly, so what if it was a gun. Thirdly, if the drone could see a gun then the identification on top of each vehicle would clearly be visible. The IDF then sent a missile to one of the vehicles and two of the occupants managed to escape to one of the remaining two vehicles. This second vehicle was then hit killing everyone but a couple who then escaped to the third vehicle which was then hit and everyone killed. This was no accident. No apology was made.

 

No apology was made by Israel

 

And Palestinian non-combatant Fatalities are over 30-1 those of Israeli so not really a major positive point.
Stop fighting and killing.
Make real borders and respect them. Do not forget that the month prior to the Hamas atrocities the Israeli military watched and did not stop the forced evictions from homes and farms of over 3000 Palestinians by Israeli expansionists. Not the first time either. No, does not justify the killing and kidnapping of other innocents but it does explain the motives.
Palestine can now have no military hence the underground. Give them real borders and if Hamas or other Palestinian military do not respect them then you have a justified fight. As it is now Hamas can claim to be freedom fighters, take that away from them.
Make Jerusalem an independent state. For many years the three main church groups have gone out of their way to show mutual respect. Make it neither Palestine nor Israel.

 

Israel's current treatment of Palestinian civilians ensure Hamas or Hamas-next will continue to be around .

 

The incident with the aid workers shows just how little effort the Israeli military is actually putting into confirming targets. And it comes after the Israeli apologists on this forum have been telling us for months that the Israeli military is extremely diligent about choosing its targets.

Does the fact that the Israeli military doesn’t give a damn about killing Mooslim civilians make them bad guys? Not necessarily. They’re just swept up in rage following October 7th. But it does suggest that we probably shouldn’t be supporting Israel in their quest for vengeance. It’s just going to lead to more terrorists anyway.

Also, the indiscriminate bombings are hardly the worst thing Israel has done. The people they haven’t bombed are dying of starvation.

ETA: The benchmark for acceptable war conduct is not whether “the other side is worse.” So saying Israel is better relative to Hamas (it is) doesn’t give them license to murder civilians.

 

It's starting to look like they are one in the same.

 

I believe Gaza had a real border. They invaded.

 

We stand with our allies. Are you Hamas?

 

You said "we gave back hostages"

YOU are not israeli, stop misrepresenting yourself.

 

Here's an informative article to read
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-66620250
It was written just before the latest fighting.

 

If Gaza had real control and a real border would you doubt for a second that someone would not have supplied them with tanks let alone more lethal weaponry?

 

Please explain how Gaza built and paid for 300 miles of tunnels under hospitals and civilian populated areas if they were not in complete control? Israel had knowledge of what they were doing but gave them autonomy. Wouldn't that money have been better spent developing harbors in their coast line? Would you imply there has been a blockade of Gaza? I don't doubt for a second the aid supplied to Gaza and their manpower efforts were all spent on "destroying Israel". The dollars alone spent on offensive instruments could have been spent on real education and development. Instead they teach hate of Israel and the only future they care to see is the destruction of Israel. Either that has to change or they must be destroyed!

 

All about the West Bank. Nothing about Gaza.

 

You do not identify yourself. Obviously you want to destroy America as well as Israel as indicated in a previous post. Typical. So you would hide behind civilians as well? I think you know if you were to seriously threaten Israel, WE would destroy you, Iran, and everything you represent!

 

Gaza is a symptom and is not unconnected to the West Bank.

 

Israel= builds a dome to protect civilian population
Hamas= builds 300 miles of tunnels under civilian population to hide terrorists

Israel= has produced countless Nobel Prize winners
Hamas= has produced hate and destruction! They rape, behead, and torture hostages they don't want to exploit for negotiating purposes.

 

First, whether the IDF or the Palestinian authority, I check facts through other sources and try to get at the truth.
It keeps me from making outrageous statements like "Where is your compassion for the women raped by the IDF?"
Second, you forget that this is a war for survival between Israel and HAMAS.
HAMAS has declared that their only reason to exist is to destroy Israel and "the west" (which means America).
Israel is our ally.
If I am going to accept any claim on it's face, without checking, it will be Israel's.
Not my enemies.

You are welcome though to believe whatever HAMAS and the Palestinian authority feed you.
You are welcome to stand on your high moral ground and demonize Israel while defending HAMAS.
Right up to the part where a HAMAS soldier kicks in your door, kills and brutalizes your family, and finally murders you.
Then, it will be too late.

I am not afraid of an IDF soldier kicking in my door, killing and brutalizing my family before he murders me.

And that is the difference between "good for the goose, good for the gander"

 

So, first, the only "authority" claiming that non combat fatalities are 30-1 is the Palestinian authority.
The Palestinian authority is HAMAS.
HAMAS does not distinguish between combat and non combat fatalities.

Second this is a war for survival between Israel and HAMAS. If this war is to have any good outcome at all, it will be that one side or the other will prevail and destroy the other. Otherwise, there is no point. The fighting, killing, and destruction will simply continue as it has since 1948.

Third, your make borders and respect them suggestion is wonderful except that HAMAS has declared that it's sole reason to exist is to destroy Israel and the west. They proved many times before October 7, but especially on October 7, that they do not respect borders, will not stop until they destroy Israel and the west, and will do so as brutally as they can. Whatever Israel did about ignoring borders only emphasizes the point; these two will not respect borders and will not stop until the other is destroyed.

Third, HAMAS/Palestine is demonstratably a terrorist organization. That they have used hospitals, schools, and non combatants in their war against Israel is all the proof we need of that. Their brutal and horrific attack on October 7 and the number of dead and tortured hostages reinforces the truth that they are terrorists. They are not "freedom fighters".

Making Jerusalem an independent state will not change the situation between HAMAS and Israel. The only way this mess is resolved is going to be when the last HAMAS fighter sues for peace because a pissed off Israeli soldiers boot is pressing down on his neck, or the last Israeli soldier sues for peace because a pissed off HAMAS soldier's knife is at his throat.

Nothing else will resolve this.
Nothing.
Attempts at cease fires, and truces, and negotiating "peace" will only delay the final outcome and will result in more deaths, more destruction, and more confusion.

You are welcome to choose a side in this conflict. You can even go to your side and offer up your services and support. But recognize this for what it is; a war to the end. It will be resolved with violence, not words. I pray that it is over quickly for HAMAS. They do not deserve to exist.

 

It won't happen any more than American freedom fighters went away in 1776. Unless you accept genocide and even then Israeli neighbors wouldn't.

 

I've said it before; terrorism stops when your enemy fears your retaliation more than they hate you.

If Israel does the job and isn't deterred, HAMAS (whoever is left) will never again dare to harm a jew.