Confederate flag is still being used

It's now been 150 years since the bloodiest war in the US has been ended and the meaning of this flag has been lost. But sometimes I see the image of the confederate flag used by the US citizens in the social networks and other Internet resources, on their t-shirts, caps... I have some mixed feelings. I hate any symbols of war and discrimination, but I feel sorry for the ignorant Americans. What do you feel when you see confederate flag anywhere?

 

I see the symbol that many Americans fought and died for because they believed in their cause, just as they did for the Snake flag and others. Just because they lost doesn't mean anyone should be ashamed of the symbol. After all, we lost Nam and our flag still flies proudly. An African-American entered our casino wearing a ball cap with the Confederate flag on it. What do you think about that?
Enjoy!

 

I always liked it, it's a cool design! I also always thought that the Nazis had the absolute best military uniforms too.... but I wouldn't wear one! Back in the '80s I had a Confederate flag bandana hanging on the wall of my apartment bathroom, back then, nobody thought twice about it. It just became a big deal in recent years. sorta like using the word RETARD, it was no biggie until recently! Now pusssssiez say "R Word" instead of just saying RETARD!

 

Its a good looking flag, and represents states rights in face of tyranny.

 

"Confederate flag is still being used"

it's mainly used by racists at this point in history, it's kinda like the swastika, it may have had other meaning, but it's been tainted by history

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Not exactly. The Confederate draft forced any man between 18-35 to join the army and fight. The vast majority had no interest in killing and dieing so that rich landowners could greedily hold onto their slave trade.

 

Very strange opinion but thanks anyway. Can I ask where were you born and where do you live?

 

The only place that symbol belongs is on top of a bright orange 69 Dodge Charger. Otherwise, I think it's a symbol of an enemy state. It would be like flying an ISIS flag.

 

Some people like to hold on to history, even if they don't have a "direct" link with it.

 

Double standards you have. You hate confederate flag but you like the stereotype associated with it. So you like it and you hate it.

 

Actually, it's no double standard, that's more of a pop culture thing, kinda like liking "Achmed the Dead Terrorist", yet hating terrorism.

 

LOL! I see a symbol folks like to use to make liberals heads explode.

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How is hating terrorism and liking a dead terrorist a double standard. They seem to go hand in hand.

 

I was pointing out that it isn't a double standard.

Liking the General Lee, and not liking the Confederate Flag is not a double standard.

The General Lee is a damn cool car, but people that wear or display the Confederate flag with pride are the US's version of ISIS.

 

Most men joined voluntarily and not for anything to do with slavery.

Back then, your state still meant more than your nation and when these young men saw foreign armies marching across their fields they rose up to defend themselves.

The expansion of slavery (among others) were the driving forces for the war but they hardly made any difference to the guys on the ground who were doing the actual fighting.

This is a point many people often overlook.

If you saw a foreign military power marching through your neighborhood burning down houses would you honestly care what the reason is or would you grab your buddies, arm yourselves, and go try and stop them?

 

Great post Oxymoron. The biggest problem is many of our members will not understand what you mean by that. Its not their fault because in most cases, like the crusades the truth of why the civil war was taught is either is not taught or is taught in a corrupted manner. There are several reasons for these aberrations of truth. The 800 pound gorilla is the USA’s federal government, and its puppet masters ie international corporations. Together they are attempting to 'homogenize' the USA culturally and economically with the rest of the PC* world, including the public USA’s school system. Read about common core for more.

In any case the stars and bars represents for me tradition and as you say the fight for states rights. The feds crushed that movement because it would so weaken their ability to control states (read as we citizens) to do the bidding of corporate America. So the number one bad guys in this scenario is (number one being the most evil); #2 big money such as international corporations and a few select of earths ultra rich George Soros comes to mind. #3 The federal government. I did not post number one because this is getting too long… hey I am rev you know? So I support the stars and bars flag unless its used to promote hate, ie racism.


Notes;

* PC = politically correct not the best word to describe the slide of all the worlds nations towards a global Marxist/socialist system, eventually with one world wide leader.

reva

 

Oh, in that case I agree with you except about the ISIS part. I haven't seen anyone wearing a confederate flag behead anyone lately....have you?

 

That is the problem though is it not?

Symbols will often see their meanings change over time, it happens constantly, and perception will always outweigh fact. You may be correct about the true meaning behind that symbol but it is no longer recognized for that, today it is perceived AS a symbol of hate.

Like it or not, that is the way it is.

 

I'll be willing to bet a few of those cops gunning down unarmed black men have one or two hanging around or as a licence plate.

 

I'm pretty indifferent to seeing the Union flag or the Confederate flag. The Confederacy was as much a confederation as the Union was a federation. The idea of secession is immeasurably positive, but they seceded into a government no better than the one they left.

The secession needed to occur when the 1787 constitution was being ratified. The opportunity has been lost, it will never return.

 

We should take up arms against Georgia, then?

 

Hey, it's not nice to pick on the mentally handicapped like that. Many people in GA still think they are fighting the Civil War.

 

QUOTE=Spooky;1064930191]That is the problem though is it not?

Symbols will often see their meanings change over time, it happens constantly, and perception will always outweigh fact. You may be correct about the true meaning behind that symbol but it is no longer recognized for that, today it is perceived AS a symbol of hate.
Like it or not, that is the way it is.[/QUUOTE]

Great observation and comment, even if I only partially agree, lol! I understand (why)and agree that the stars and bars flag is now perceived a symbol of hate among minorities and PC people. Here in hillbilly land where the housing projects are all white the flag is still a common sight, not as much as say ten years ago but common. However the reason I kind of disagree can be shown by using another symbol, lets use the Christian cross. In some areas it is not respected and represents repression etc. So even though the image of the cross has suffered and opinion of the cross has changed should I put my crucifix in a drawer and not wear it?

I own three thirty to forty foot crosses on a knoll I own that is illuminated with spotlights, should I be forced to tear them down because they offend some people? I am not so dumb to not know the cross example is straining the concept but remember that the stars and bars have not represented pro slavery to all even southerners since its conception and first use. I do see your point and even I am sensitive to offending with the stars and bars. I did have a vanity tag with the image on it but after getting saved I have a regular tag. And I do not publicly display it either due to respect for others. However if the image is totally important part of a persons make up such as the cross, I must display it and hope that those that notice it will realized I am not disrespecting or ignoring their feelings. Not to wear it would be disrespecting my higher ups lol and myself. I suppose a little tactfulness combined with respect is all we need, the trick is balancing those items? Thanks for your reply, it made me think this morning!

reva

 

Per the title of the thread---------------------------who really cares, it was part of our history.

 

They may, or maybe they have a swastika tattoo, who knows? If someone misuses a symbol there is no shame in the symbol rather its the owner that misused or
re-purposed the symbol that has the problem.

reva

 

Some may be, just as some inner city gangs may be fighting to kill everything you represent, lol. Racism is really colorblind, and is really just hate using color difference etc for a reason for that hate. Its obvious to me that a true racist really hates himself for some reason, but transfers that hate to others to tolerate the self loathing.

reva