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    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, rather then complain to moderators it would be worth your while to actually refer to the foot notes and comment on the evidence. I’d be happy to walk you through how it’s done.
     
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    Simple, my comments are backed by the cdc and the footnoted evidence ce they provide on their web sites. As new evidence is provided and recommendations change because of circumstances, we’ll change. That’s how real science works, not in the back rooms of fix news.
     
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    You are making everything up. You can not present any empirical evidence to support your position. You can’t even remember what you’ve claimed.
     
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    You don’t see people wearing N95s because the CDC and Fauci and other science deniers told people NOT TO for 18 months. Against all empirical evidence.
     
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    The point is the CDC “thinking” something is meaningless. What they “think” is unsupported by evidence. There is NO evidence to support their recommendations. They have been lying to you. Any you love disinformation.
     
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    Who’s complaining to moderators? Not me.

    Just post a study concluding cloth masks are as good or better than N95s. Go ahead. You can’t find one in footnotes or anywhere else because none exists. You are swallowing unsupported opinions of people who don’t care whether you live or die.
     
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    The CDC has been making recommendations in direct conflict with ALL empirical evidence. They have routinely denied science. The proof is in the fact you can not provide ANY evidence to support their position or your position. NONE.
     
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    No retort I see. I provided 141 studies on one post and over 40 on another. Each were numbered and corresponded to the appropriate comment in the text. That’s evidence. This is how the real world of medical science is communicated. Th3 fake news from Fix and Tuckerville just harass and ask silly nonsensical questions.
    If you can’t or won’t follow up by looking up the study and commenting on that, it’s not my problem, it’s yours. You could never retain a job in the professional world by not taking responsibility for being educated in the search for evidence. I’m not doing your job for you.
     
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    How would you know. By your own admission you’d rather argue then read the evidence they provide at the conclusion of their posted recommendations.
     
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    I’m not asking you to do my job. I’m asking you to provide evidence of YOUR claims. You can’t because none exists. I accept your concession.
     
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    Btw, you haven’t listed one shred of related so called emperical evidence. As long as you’re confused the difference between respirators and common masking, you’ll ever know the differenchuuh
    A loser can accept anything he wants. He has no choice.
     
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    I have read ALL the evidence. That’s how I know it all supports my position snd NONE supports your position. I’ve supported my position with actual studies and pull quotes from those studies.

    You have referenced one retracted study, a few of influenza that do not support cloth masks over N95s for Covid, and you have talked about footnotes. LOL.

    You continue to strike out.
     
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    I am not confused. I have presented peer reviewed studies of mask efficacy based on materials. I have presented studies of cloth vs. N95 equivalent masks for Covid prevention in communities concluding N95 quality masks are twice as effective at preventing spread in the community as cloth masks.

    I am uninterested in the strawman argument of terminology of masks/respirators.
    LOL. Keep up the ad hominem. It seems to be your go-to when you can not provide evidence to back your incorrect opinions.
     
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    Quoting as old filtering level study of n95 respirator mask says nothing * about about covid recommended use of cloth masks which aren’t even respirators and aren’t even expected to filter a virus. They are expected to limit the spread of water droplets from the wearer to the public. Not only is is covid ever mentioned in the study, it’s hilarious you don’t even know the difference. It’s like you saying that cars are better then dump trucks when one is meant to transport people and the material.

    . Cloth masks have so many fewer limitations then n95 in their effectiveness for their intended use is obvious to the medical community. So obvious, there is no one one in the medical community that recommends them the same use as suitably layered cloth masks.

    oh, you’re now smarter then the cdc because why ? You can’t even read footnotes in the materials they provide. You’re smarter then every medical research facility in the United States…..amazing. Every hospital is wrong….and you’re right.
     
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    No they don’t. N95 are not anywhere near as effective. They aren’t even used in public community at large. Its a ridiculous statement. How can you say it. NO WHERE IN PUBLUC ROUTINELY recommends of uses them.
     
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    Go back and read my posts. Most of the studies are very recent.

    I’m well aware of the differences between cloth masks and N95s. Cloth masks have poor filtration and N95s have very good filtration. Cloth masks are about 1/2 as effective at stopping transmission as N95 quality masks.

    You are welcome to provide evidence in the form of a study that cloth masks have better filtration or are better at stopping transmission of Covid than N95s. You are also welcome to provide a study showing people wouldn’t wear an N95 if they hadn’t been told not to. Remember I presented a study showing N95s are designed to be breathable and are easier to breath in than tested cloth masks.

    Until you can provide evidence in the form of a study for any of your claims you have no more value in this debate. Your beliefs have been clearly shown to be based on unsubstantiated opinion, not empirical evidence. Thanks for showing PF your beliefs are not based on evidence. As always, that is appreciated.
     
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    LOL. I presented a study concluding that very fact. If they aren’t as effective you would be able to present evidence showing you are correct. Unfortunately the evidence all supports using N95s instead of cloth masks.
     
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    My evidence to that statement is easy. Go to any public domain that requires masking and count the number of n95 vs cloth masks. Next, got any other really uninformed statements that are easy to disproved. Provide any public directive for masking that requires they be used that specifically says, n95. It’s hilarious you make such uninformed statements.
     
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    Ha ha. You can’t even read the evidence. You don’t use and read footnoting.
     
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    I’ve never seen it. You’ve never provided it. NEVER. No studies say n95 mask are more effective for publuc use then cloth masks. None, nada, nix.

    and you have yet to find it. Yet, they’re is a wealth of pub. that recommend cloth masks for public use that are footnoted with evidence.
     
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    Ha ha
    Because why, you don’t know the difference between a respirator like n95 masks and cloth masks ? It’s always the “straw man” argument for the uninformed. Do a little more reading then come back because you’re way out of your league in presenting an argument about masking. . The right is filled with novices who think they know more then the experts in medical science because they listen to Tucker.
     
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    Ha ha.
    By your own admission you don’t read the evidence submitted by periodicals in the footnotes of relevant MEDICAL publications you’ve come across. How can you say you’ve read all the evidence. You appear to avoid it.
     
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    Stop making up stuff. You have not.
     
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    In the eyes of the informed, you’ve lost this debate. Anyone uninterested in the evidence provided by the medical community, is no longer relevant.
     
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    You confuse filtration with effectiveness. I don’t see you recommending SCUBA masks and breathing tanks. They and the much higher filtration units used in medical research make n95 masks look silly. Effectiveness is measured differently. N95 mask aren’t effective when NO ONE IS USING THEM for public use. Cloth masks far surpass n95 masks in a society where more then half the people are already vaccinated. You live in a dream world. If you would read the evidence by footnoted publications, you wouldn’t get such unsubstantiated ideas.
     
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