Cops assualt 70 pound girl for refusal to give up cellphone

Wait for what? Maybe until she finished talking to her mother, perhaps? Would that have been too difficult?

She is 4'10" and a 70 pound child. Watch the video again and tell us how appropriate the cop's behaviour was. All three of them. And I don't care what PROCEDURE is in cases like this! Does PROCEDURE mean that you turn your brain off? Are cops taught never to think? That's what they had to do, and they failed spectacularly.
What a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up state, and what a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up country.

 

Again...I will ask you...if YOU were the Cop...and you told her if she did not comply she would be arrested...and she did not comply and at that point you must arrest her....or lose your JOB....so you attempt to cuff her and she fights you...and at that point you must take her down or risk the girl hurting you...others or herself and if you don't take her down you lose your JOB ans most likely get sued...sowhat do YOU do?

AboveAlpha

 

Yeah right! Lol, Your cops must be a lot nicer than our cops. But I agree with you SnakeS. Besides a scenario is not necessary, there are enough real examples to form a decision. Cops are too violent hell watch a few examples of Cops on TV. I see abuse in every episode and not the cops getting abused.

reva

 

If I was a cop I would have used the brain God gave me, along with the power of reason I got along with it. If the cops had not tried to wrestle the phone away from the child no violence would have been necessary. SHE WAS TALKING TO HER MOTHER! Eventually she would have stopped talking to her mother. End of.

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Yes, armed cops don't have to patrol our schools because our country is not as (*)(*)(*)(*)ed-up as yours.

 

So basically you would allow yourself to loseyour job...possibly allow harm to occur to others and possibly the girl herself...and then allow yourself to be sued.

LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Are you being deliberately thick, or what?

1. Allow the child to finish her call (it's hard to be violent when you're talking on a phone). This avoids:
2. Any necessity for violence.
3. You then talk to the child and:
4. Problem is peacefully resolved.

What did the dolts of the HISD do? Resort to PROCEDURE with the resulting screw-up.What's the matter; are you so brainwashed with PROCEDURE that it stops you from thinking?

 

I sleepily destroyed my the first sentence in my post # 295


Those officers that adhere what should be an oath of ‘protect and serve’ have my deepest respect. And those that they protect and serve should* be considered fully innocent until proven guilty. Lastly the officers should include everyone from the skid row bum to equal basis include everyone and they Megabucks subdivision retirees equally deserving of their protection and should SERVE them with respect. Anything less is criminal* and should be enforced as such.
Even though our earliest documents make it clear that we are all equal under the law it is rarely that in practice! Lastly the fact that we are innocent first then must be PROVEN guilty is a joke these days, just get a speeding ticket to see the criminality in action. We will pay for our apathy and unconcern for our less fortunate brothers and sisters maybe not in the near future but eventually.


reva

 

Ahh finally this is what this is all about....

 

Uhhh...the kid had been on the phone constantly for some time...she was NOT going to finish her call and she lied about her Mother being on her Death Bed.

You simply don't get it.

The Cops did not want to arrest the kid.

They did everything they could not to arrest her.

But in the U.S....if a Cop tells you to do something such as give me your phone so I can talk to your mother....and the person scream vulgarity at the cop ans starts throwing things....and the cop tells them to stop and hand over the phone....EVERYONE IN THE U.S. KNOWS....you either hand over the phone or they arrest you.

And EVERYONE knows you resist arrest the Cops are going to take you down to the floor or ground.

For you to defend this girl or her mother is simply idiotic.

AboveAlpha

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Oh...you didn't know about his....Europe Good...U.S. Bad....ideology? LOL!!!

Remind me now....how many times did the U.S. have to fight World Wars because some European was compensating for their incredibly small penis?

AboveAlpha

 

We sure address these issues with students differently today. Back in the old days the kid would have been expelled from school for a particular period. Today we have cops that basically treat a kid like a criminal.

Beam me up Scotty. No intelligent lifeforms down here.

This society has gone mad, crazy, bonkers. But this is good training for the kids who live in a Police State. Condition them early in life.

 

I am well aware of his hatred of this country.. There is no hope for respectful debate in any thread he enters because this is what it boils down to.

 

Damn give a limey a pat on the back and eh' bites it off. Must be still be angry from being forced to bending over and handing the king his property (read that as most of his firearms). Lastly what you and other softies see as being screwed up we see as tradition and our rights. Compared to your country which does not respect a mans rights nor his property..... ahh' wait I will shorten this up by saying; It's best summed up to what B Franklin said; “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (or words to that effect).....To that I say INDEED! Perhaps that's why your homeland security blokes had to use wood guns in WW2. No but I am sure that would be the case if the same thing happened today. I know, I know, that can't happen today.....BS! History repeats itself, you know how the saying goes and its true, those ignore histories lessons are doomed to repeat them.


reva

 

Well I could have used a little heads up concerning the futility before I put any effort into talking with the guy. Somebody tell the new guy.

 

With some haters that's all its ever about. And with your example the anger and hate is caused by pure green envy and jealously. I mean look at where they live. Their country has been in serious decline since WW2 and it sped up in the 60's to 2000. We saved them in WW2 and again around 2000 from collapse. On top of that I am sure most of the citizens who hate would love to own all sorts of firearms but the big dumbo on the throne says NO. They have cameras on every street corner probably the cameras are even in the citizens homes! No matter they would again bend over and permit a penis cam if demanded by the God King. I would bet that most of those angry at the USA and its citizens* (often its one or the other but sometimes the hate is both for country and citizens).

So in lets get back on topic. I agree that the police are far too heavy handed and part of the problem is to much gear. But its such a small influence that its not even probably measurable. The REAL problem is the wrong personality types are joining the force. A way needs to be found to weed those psychos out. Secondly the punishment for all police misbehavior should be crushing and swift. Lastly all cops should be vigorously pee tested! Yes I am serious because I know many of them here in this area where drugs aren't as much of a problem as in the rust belt are addicted to opiate type drugs. (I have a few MD friends and all of them tell me that they overwrite RXs to their cop extortioners). When I asked them why they prescribed to errant cops the Dr all said they want to keep their lic and maybe their lives. Maybe being a little melodramatic maybe not!


reva

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Hey now you know.

reva

 

You're damned right your country is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up if you need to resort to armed police patrolling your schools and using violence to 'restrain' little girls for minor school rule infringements. You tell me where I'm wrong here.

 

This is hardly your first time bashing this country.. I dont care what thread it is after a few posts you make it obvious what your agenda is.

Most schools dont have anyone armed walking around btw. All she had to do is listen to the teacher but i know you dont want to go there because then you cant rant about this country.

 

I don't have an agenda; unlike you I can be objective and recognise a screw-up when I see it-and your country has a long and woeful list of them. And please, you don't need to resort to 'well, look at yours...' because I'm well aware of the shortcomings of my own country.

*waits for 'we saved your ass in two world wars...'*

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) this country isnt the topic but you damn well yet again made it into it. Its your flawed opinion it was a "screw up". Again the child had ample opportunity to listen to the teacher before they had to call the police. She had ample opportunity to listen to the police. She refused. The she would have eventually done as told if she was left alone line doesnt float.

 

Safe for who? What if this sorry ass excuse for a man lost his balance and put too much weight on her head and crushed her skull? Would you feel good about that?

Like I said in most cases I am more inclined to take an officers side in situations, but the actions in this situation I simply can not agree with. Taking down a little girl you outweigh by A LOT does not take that much effort. It's not like she has enough ass behind her to resist and do damage. Hell my godson weighs 110lbs. and when we wrestle he goes ballistic, he is a very strong kid for his age. But compared to me it's nothing to restrain him because I'm simply too damned strong for him. Easily with one arm I can keep him from moving and I don't need to slam him on the ground and kneel in his head. Hell just a simple wrist lock with just a small amount of pressure that is not enough to damage is sufficient to make him kneel. Done that one a few times on grown men and all they could do was follow my instruction and it didn't even hurt them, it was just uncomfortable to move. There are a many better ways to take down a kid of this size, and it takes a lot less effort.

Sounds to me this cop is not trained enough, or once again felt like he needed to pretend he was a real bad ass.


Have you ever picked up a kid by their ankle and wrist? They are ultimately helpless when you do that, they can flail about as much as they want too, they won't accomplish anything and they will be worn out in a matter of seconds. Or if need be simply grab her by the back of the neck, not a lot of pressure need to be applied. Pull her towards you and grab her wrist and pull her little arm behind her back. Once she is up against you remove your hand from her neck and wrap your arm around her chest, then add a lite bit of weight to push down on her until you are both basically kneeling on the ground. You have both of her arms contained, her legs are useless because they are pinned to the ground and she is not strong enough to release them. And if you want to restrain her head simply rest your head on her shoulder and apply a little bit of pressure to her face and she won't to able to do anything but look forward or to the side she may be facing.

It's all about body control, something cops should be taught. It's really not that hard to bring a grown man down if you know what you are doing, much less a tiny ass girl. A good bit of my knowledge came from cops , and some from friends and family in the military who taught me how to manipulate someone's body. That is where my opinion stems from, the fact this dude is a cop and knows better but decided to take it overboard on someone who is very easy to restrain.

A grown ass kid, boy or girl in the 150lbs. And up range I would agree the cop did what he needed to do. But for a little girl any grown man could break in half with little effort..... Na this cop is a chump and I hope he soon tries to pick on somebody his own size. This cop is nothing more than the stereotypical wanna be hero who wanted to take advantage of the situation to feel better about his sorry ass self.

I guarantee this guy has beaten a woman at some point in his life.

 

Lol a 70lbs. Lil girl can flail all she wants too, I just wouldn't be the one who has to say I needed to go full HAM on her and kneel on her head because she was threatening me lol. That's an embarrassment to be honest. If you can't control a little ass girl like that then you simply need to hit the gym way more often. Let's stop pretending this is some grown girl, and see the situation as it is.

The situation is a grown ass cop felt the need to apply force where almost none was needed to handle the lil witch. I bet he feels like a stone cold bad ass now, but he is probably shamed on by his fellow officers lol. I hope they give him hell for that, it's pathetic lol.

This situation reminds me of a tarantula vs. a regular field mouse, all the spider has to do is wrap it's body around the much smaller and weaker mouse and it's over with. Nothing more and nothing less, simply used it's body to hold down the victim with ease and finish the deed. Mouse can struggle all it wants too, but it's not going anywhere once the simple grip is applied.

 

Ridiculous is your suggestion you are in a position to second the police or school policy. It was the student who was too stupid to handle the situation which she created. And are you so misinformed to not know why three police answered the call about a disturbance at a school? Are you really that ignorant about violence in schools these days?

And yes the resolution of a student refusing to comply with the authority of the school administration and the police is you get arrested, what seems to be going over your head here?

Perhaps you should worry more about the violence in your own schools rather than worry yourself so about matters over here.

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No you don't just walk away from a belligerent student refusing to comply with school officials, geez your absurdity is getting without bounds now.

 

Why don't you go and educate yourself on what ACTUALLY occurred not what you fallaciously assert occurred and your "if's" and "probably's". Then it won't be so hard for you to figure out.

 

Wait for what., it is apparent her mother was encouraging her to refuse to comply with school officials and the police. The police and the administrators don't have to wait, they stop the disturbance and take the phone and if necessary the police physically restrain her.

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GEEZ can't you get anything straight? She REFUSED to stop talking to her mother while she was telling lies to the teacher and the principal and the police about why she refused.

 

Oh YOUR cops never arrest students, they just reason with them............once again your absurdity knows no bounds.

Suggest you go read up on the disturbances and police actions in your own schools and stop worrying yourself about matters here in which you have no interest and are grossly misinformed.

 

Violence: Schools seek police aid

The police were called to violent incidents in schools in England more than 7,000 times last year, according to figures from the Conservatives.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7795455.stm

Yeah things are just so peaceful in the UK

Really eats on you doesn't it.

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They are quite clear in their mission statement didn't you read it?