COVID-19 Research, Drug trials and Pathophysiology

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  1. Giftedone

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    Then we can put in place measures to 1) not create another Pandora's box or 2) if we must creat another than put in place measures to ensure it does not escape .. 3) deal with those who lied to keep the details secret -- in relation to the measure of the crime.
     
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    We can review our policies and practices, but what should we do about other countries?

    Left, right or in the middle--we all have an interest in preventing a deadly virus from getting loose in the world.
     
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    Some problems don't have a solution.
     
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    Biotech and nanotech weapons may be an even larger threat than nuclear bombs.
     
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    Same thing we do for other bioweapons .. chemical weapons .. must have international areements. On our end there is nothing we can do .. we have already banned this research in the US .. so no procedures we can implement here. Need to get the leaders of the Security council together as a first step and expand out to other nations from there.

    and with that .. we have a rare moment of agreement -- all have a serious interest in stopping either the creation of another pandora's box .. as was done in the US .. globally for chemical weapons .. and/or if we do create the box making sure it not get open.

    Which we partially have done -- only two labs in world allowed to do this kind of research on corona ( not sure about other viruses though ... and gain of function in relation to those) .. but regardless .. there is a serious need to hammer this out ..

    and all this then leads to big elephant question in the room .. Why is this not happening ? don't even have acknowledgement of the problem .. never mind moving towards addressing the problem

    the second big elephant in the room ----- Where the fk is the mainstream media on this ? -- Globally

    Something rotten in the state of Denmark Mr. Torrence .. rotten rotten indeed ... Mr. Grady :)
     
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    Yes, and . . . ?
     
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    With research into nanotechnology and biotechnology a university staple these days, knowledge of how to create nanotech and biotech weapons will become widespread and the means to create weapons capable of causing create harm easily had. Non-state players will be a much greater threat in the future.
    True especially for biological weapons that can mutate.
    Seems as though pols are afraid to address it. If they make people afraid os something or someone, they are on the hook for coming up with answers.
    The media? Follow the money. They make their living off of some fraction of us paying attention to the stuff they pump out. Rightwingers love conspiracies; leftwingers go for injustice. They media aren't going to announce everything is looking up.

    Some rightwingers don't understand wanting to tax them to help poor people isn't socialism. Then some leftwingers don't understand folks don't work so their neighbors can sit on their butts.

    My feeling is (1) stop the gun grabbing, (2) stop trying to force women to bear children, and (3) stop the crazy "war on drugs." If someone is hooked, give it to them cheap as long as they otherwise behave. Become a druggie nuisance and you get jailed and treated.

    Pot isn't a big social problem, but opiates are. We gave 'em to injured workers instead expensive physiotherapy. Some got hooked. We're reaping what we sewed.
     
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    Problems without a solution--biotech and nanotech weapons. The nightmare is a airborne virus as deadly as the modified mousepox virus with a long incubation period.
     
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    There's always something.
     
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    Nanotech and biotech weapons are not something we should ignore.
     
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    I don't worry about things I can't do anything about.
     
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    I don't know if we can do much about them, but they could be on someone's radar.
     
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    I'm sure they are.
     
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    I hope so, but every damn university is up to its ivy covered walls in nanotech and biotech research and development.

    Thank goodness Kaczynski wasn't a biologist.
     
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    Research integrity during the COVID-19 pandemic: A book excerpt
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    Ferric Fang

    We are pleased to present an excerpt from Thinking About Science: Good Science, Bad Science, and How to Make It Better by Ferric C. Fang and Arturo Casadevall, published by ASM Press/Wiley, October 2023.

    Amidst the COVID-19 calamity, one can argue that science is one of the few aspects of the human response that has worked relatively well. However, despite the many advances in preventing and treating COVID-19, there have also been missteps as the world has scrambled to respond to a deadly new pathogen. It has been humbling for the U.S. to lead large high-income countries in per capita deaths from COVID-19 even with its wealth and scientific expertise. We are all too aware of the needless illnesses and deaths that have resulted from misguided political leadership, inadequate preparation, delayed responses, fragile supply chains, health disparities, and vaccine hesitancy. But we will not dwell on these issues here. Rather, we would like to review the COVID-19 pandemic through the prism of the 3R’s of research integrity: rigor, reproducibility, and responsibility. These form the fundamental pillars of the foundation of science. It is appropriate that we devote more attention to the foibles than to the successes so that we can learn from the mistakes and missed opportunities. What could have been done better? What needs to improve?

    Continue reading
     
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    Is COVID hysteria going to go on forever with some?
     
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    Is wanting to discuss something that killed over 7 million people, that caused massive unemployment, and so forth really ‘hysteria’. It’s a recent part of the world’s history and merits ongoing discussion. Would you label someone ‘hysterical’ for discussing the Spanish Flu, the Bubonic Plague, outbreaks of Malaria etc?
     
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    COVID didn’t cause massive unemployment. Blue state governors did that with their abusive shut downs. The government reaction to COVID caused millions of deaths which should not have happened.
     
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    I am not just talking about ‘Blue states’ in the US, I am referring to the world as covid was a PANdemic. Considering that in the US approximately 1,181,894 people died directly from covid, you can’t blame the government of causing millions of deaths. You do realize that about 1 percent of people died worldwide from covid not because of governments but because they were vulnerable due to old age or having poor health to start with. The shut downs were supposed to be a measure to stop covid from spreading to vulnerable people and to slow down the spread. How on earth is that abusive? What they didn’t do in the US was to close the borders to foreign flights soon enough, not enact emergency measures soon enough, and not take it seriously soon enough. That was all down to Trump telling the public that covid would be gone by the spring etc, etc, etc. which meant Trumps government did a lot to contribute to the higher than average deaths in the USA.

    You accused people of ‘hysteria’ and I simple said it isn’t hysteria to still want to discuss it. One could accuse you of making hysterical comments about ‘abusive shut downs’ which is actually misinformation. It is hysteria to accuse the government of causing ‘millions’ of deaths when actually there wasn’t millions of deaths in the US. Just saying.
     
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    The original shutdowns were a desperate effort to save hospital systems from collapse. They happened in red states, too.

    What would you have had them do? Let people die waiting for emergency care?
    Canada had a much lower covid death rate than we had.

    This is what Bing has to say:

    "The Covid death rate is a measure of how many people die from Covid-19 per a certain population size. It can be calculated by dividing the total number of Covid-19 deaths by the total population and multiplying by a factor, such as 100,000 or 1,000,000. The Covid death rate can vary depending on how Covid-19 cases and deaths are reported, tested, and confirmed in different countries. It can also be influenced by factors such as the age structure, health status, vaccination rate, and health care system of the population.

    According to the web search results, the Covid death rate in the United States is much higher than in Canada. As of 11 February 2022, 279 US residents have died of Covid per 100,000, compared to about 94 in Canada. This means that the US has almost three times the Covid death rate of Canada. The total death toll of the pandemic in the US stands at about 919,000, compared to 35,500 in Canada. While the population of the US - over 332.4 million - is more than eight times Canada’s 38.2 million, its ratio of deaths per million inhabitants still far surpasses Canada’s.

    Some of the possible reasons for the difference in Covid death rates between the US and Canada are:

    • Vaccination rates: As of 9 February 2022, 80% of Canada’s population was fully immunised against Covid-19, along with another 5% that is partially vaccinated. In the US, 64% of people are fully vaccinated and 12% partially vaccinated. Canada got off to a slow start, but had caught up to the US by mid July 2021 - when exactly half of the population in each country was fully vaccinated. Canada’s vaccine take-up then surged ahead. Higher vaccination rates can reduce the risk of severe illness, hospitalisation, and death from Covid-19.
    • Health care system: Canada has a universal health care system that covers all residents, regardless of income, employment, or pre-existing conditions. The US has a mixed system that leaves millions of people uninsured or underinsured, especially among low-income, racial, and ethnic minority groups. This can affect the access to and quality of health care services, testing, and treatment for Covid-19. People with underlying health conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease, or obesity, are also more likely to develop severe Covid-19 and die from it. These conditions are more prevalent in the US than in Canada.
    • Public health measures: Canada has implemented stricter and more consistent public health measures than the US, such as lockdowns, curfews, mask mandates, travel bans, and social distancing rules. These measures have helped to slow down the spread of the virus and prevent overwhelming the health care system. The US has had more variation and resistance in the adoption and enforcement of these measures, depending on the state, local, and federal authorities, as well as the public opinion and behaviour. This has contributed to more outbreaks and surges of Covid-19 cases and deaths in the US."
    We killed a lot of people by doing to little, not doing too much.

    Maybe you don't care we killed hundreds of thousands of people who could have been saved.
     
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    Is anti-science hysteria going to go on forever with others?
     
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    No. The actual science was irrelevant with all the hysteria and mandates for everyone to take COVID shots. The various shots were untested and not proven to be both safe and effective, but government demanded you inject one into your body.

    Our president said that if you take one you can not get or spread COVID. That was not supported by the science. But that didn’t matter then. That was different.
     
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    Our government’s response to COVID was the single greatest episode of abuse of power in US history. That abuse happened mostly at the state level and also mostly blue states.
     

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