Cutting a deal with an employer

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I see your argument, but again, aren't you missing the point of the entire quatrain?

    The fact is that many entry level jobs, hell, many things in general, are a lot more complicated than they appear at first, the term "hidden pitfalls" didn't become a cliché for nothing.

    Best examples I can think of this are some of the human resources nightmares that are so bemoaned here. So many of them could have been avoided by a little forethought informed by seemingly irrelevant knowledge of diverse cultures. More than a few are picayune, no dispute, but they didn't have to exist at all.
     
  2. rickysdisciple

    rickysdisciple New Member

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    I agree, but what does that have to do with a degree? A degree does not typically confer that kind of knowledge--experience does.
     
  3. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No company will give a reason for not hiring someone. It is the reason that gets companies sued.
     
  4. tecoyah

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    Yup...good way to get fired.
     
  5. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe I missed it but the the OPer tell enough details about himself? For example, is he obese? Unusually small?
     
  6. danielpalos

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    I believe this is a waste of time and money for Labor as the least wealthy.

    There should be no institutional denial and disparagement of our privileges and immunities in favor of capital wealth in our Republic.

    Labor should have recourse to unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.
     
  7. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    IQ is over-rated. I'd rather hire a 100 IQ person who has earned a degree than a 150 IQ person who hasn't. The 150 IQ person will be lazy and feel entitled. I say this as somebody who has at least a 130 IQ. Most "gifted" people I know aren't particularly good workers--they are good BS artists.
     
  8. danielpalos

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    How does a "work or die" ethic engender any Thing other than competition among Labor, while not solving for Capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment through socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual.
     
  9. rickysdisciple

    rickysdisciple New Member

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    Well, we're (*)(*)(*)(*)ed then.

    Better to have a system in which people can purchase a credential instead of one in which talented people can make good use of their time and resources.

    I hate people.
     
  10. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Well, I would rather see people earn a credential, instead of going through life thinking they are the anointed ones that are owed a job because they have a high IQ, without any kind of proof of work ethic to support it.
     
  11. rickysdisciple

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    College is not proof of work ethic. Most of the time, it's proof of parental income--trust me, I know.

    Of course they shouldn't just be handed a job, but we really need to get away from a system in which a person has to spend 100k to "prove" they are competent. I think it's both stupid and unfair to those who aren't in a position to attend college without making great sacrifices. There are easier ways to determine work ethic.
     
  12. perdidochas

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    You've already admitted that in your case it was work ethic. In most cases, people who don't finish college have work ethics problems. You even admit that you don't like to do the college work---calling it repetitive busy work. Well, the thing is, most jobs are repetitive. Even the most exciting job becomes repetitive. I don't trust you. You have shown no reason to be trusted.

    You had the route to finish college, but by your own admission, you allowed your personal life to derail your college. I haven't found many better ways to determine work ethic. I know a college degree indicates work ethic, persistence and a basic minimum of intelligence. Someone without college tells me that they are missing one of the above.
     
  13. danielpalos

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    Inform an employer you want to pay half of the unemployment insurance tax to ensure there is no problem should you decide that employment relationship, won't work out.
     
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    If I was this person I'd apply for SSD based upon mental illness.

    The criteria are as follows.

    •Keep you from working full-time
    •Have lasted, or is expected to last, for at least one year
    •Be life-threatening (especially when diagnosed with other disorders or diseases)

    Bi-polar is included among those.

    Of course, sitting around all day with no purpose and collecting between $700 and $1,700 per month creates it's own mental health problems.

    Unemployment is not conducive for mental health...any type of job even working a register at Burger King is better for your mental health...

    However if Ricky is resigned to the fact his lot in life is such that he is unemployable because of his mental illness he should at least apply for Social Security disability to keep a roof over his head.

    He could rent a room in a home that allows shared kitchen privileges.

    These are subsistence incomes for the most part, it appears to me he has chosen resignation, he may as well bite the proverbial bullet and accept the fact he will never work in his life because of severe mental illness. Essentially a person becomes a ward of the government.
     
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    Yea, it's called the Work Opportunity Tax Credit (WOTC)..... I'm assuming you're a white male?

    Guess what? these big corporations actually get tax credits for hiring minorities - they have zero reason to hire a white male... Financially it's not in their best interest.

    Besides, even if they did hire you it would be part time due to the fact it would cost an employer more to hire you full time due to the Obamacare mandate that mandates employers must insure full time employees...
     
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    Degrees are useless, I have a liberal arts degree from the University of Illinois and it plays zero role in what I do.

    Besides, it's not like people don't have access to information - they can teach themselves...
     
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    Besides, in this (*)(*)(*)(*)ty economy this is a buyers market - not a sellers market so employers will be highly picky when they have 30 applicants for only a few positions...

    Of course it this economy was booming businesses would be hiring people on the spot due to demand (for employees) outnumbering supply (of job seekers)...
     
  18. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    There's a reason I don't state my ethnicity nor gender on applications. What's the reason? To avoid being immediately written off for WOTC benefits.
     
  19. rickysdisciple

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    I had tremendous financial pressure while in college, and I was always living on the edge of catastrophe. I had a full-ride scholarship and an almost perfect GPA before I dropped out, so work ethic is not my problem. Yes, I don't like busy work, but I can do it if other things are going well. I had a whole bunch of things go wrong during my last year, and I didn't make it through all of the issues, both internal and external. I can say with certainty that most people from my background and with my limitations don't even sniff college.

    Sorry, but if you think college is a good indication of work ethic, then you really don't know what you are talking about. Outside the natural sciences, it's an indication of parental income and little else. I'm going to assume you have a degree, tie your ego to it, and will brook no criticism of a stupid and unfair system that allowed you to overcome professional barriers to entry.

    I actually used to believe all the lies about college until I went and realized it was just a way for people with money to pay their way through life and socially differentiate themselves--it's really not much else.
     
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    I've thought about it (I would easily qualify based on my juvenile records alone), but I'd just kill myself if I ended up in that position--I hate people too much to give them the satisfaction of watching me fail. When I was 25 I made a plan to kill myself if things weren't fixed by the time I turned 35. Right now, I've got about three years to turn it around,but I'm certainly not showing any signs of improvement and doubt I will given how much worse things are this time around--my swings are too volatile and extreme. I'm either the best student/employee or the most deficient, depending on my mood, which shifts constantly. I think that the willingness to commit suicide has led me to make many bad decisions I probably wouldn't have made if I didn't consider it a real option. Most people don't consider it an option, so failing in life has more serious consequences for them; additionally, it's easier for them to get motivated if they are down--I simply keep a bullet around just in case.

    Incidentally, I just got hired, but the pay isn't great and it's quite mentally demanding. It isn't going to be enough to really dig my way out, so short of something illegal, the prognosis is not good.
     
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    You can't say it's useless, as you don't realize what you learned from it.

    My point is that somebody who is of average IQ with a degree is going to be a harder and more effective worker than a 150 IQ person who doesn't, for the most part. If somebody with a 150 IQ and is over age 22 or so, doesn't have a degree, that means something is majorly wrong with that person--either mental illness, or total lack of work ethic.
     
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    I have two degrees in the natural sciences and one in education. I've been in the workplace with smart people that didn't have degrees. They do have problems with work ethic on the whole. Average people without degrees have variable work ethic. Your view of college is just sour grapes--blaming the system on why you failed. If it didn't work for you, your presumption is automatically that the system is messed up. I've lived a little longer than you, and have had 20 years or so more to make observations about people than you have. When I was 27 I wouldn't have had the observations about people that I have now.
     
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    So if the value of a degree is tied to its signaling of work ethic, then why not develop a much cheaper and efficient any of determining that? The degree itself is not conferring anything and is only correlated with work ethic. Obviously, those who have shoveled (*)(*)(*)(*) before can be reliably counted on to do it again, more than those who have never done it. The problem is that you are not making a very good argument for maintaining the current system. You seem to think it's fine if people have to spend the equivalent of a mortgage to purchase this silly credential solely to communicate their obedience. Do you not realize how insane that is?

    I wish you would just admit that it is a signaling device meant to communicate social status.

    Why not just have a boot camp of some sort? Let's have people do arbitrary nonsense for a period of time, then train them as efficiently and quickly as possible afterward. Voila, you get both for less.

    I had no reliable transportation, housing, or money in my senior year. I guess I didn't work hard enough huh? lol
     
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    I was just going to suggest this. If you love music and you're already in your 20's then go with that, stop wasting your time with fast food and other entry-level stuff. Put an ad on Craigslist to teach at least and see if you get any bites.
     
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    ask an employer if you can pay all of the unemployment taxes if you need money, but the job is not a good match.
     

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