Dealing with the illogical perceptions of White America

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  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    And how many time have I read you touting that welfare consisted largely of retiree's! Does this person strike you as a 9-5 kinda gal ;)
     
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    That would be ebonics.

    Eugenics is what the Democrat Party fights so hard to preserve.
     
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    Obviously you've never seen a public housing project.
     
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    These researchers are not the only ones, and this is not the only study to link tea partism to radial bias.

    There was at least one major study of tea party groups scattered around the United States, and the on factor that united all of them was the same race driven sense of white resentment that drives much of Trump's supporters.

    The tea party liked to pretend that it was a tax protest, even though there were no new taxes and no one was talking about raising taxes.

    But the "movement" was 98% white and 95% Republcian.

    It was not grass roots either. It was an orchestrated campaign run by K Street lobbying firms and conservative aligned public relations firms. It was also financed by these firms and by right wing billionaires.

    The real political objective of the tea party was to win the mid term congressional elections in 2010. That was all. Once that mission was accomplished, the K street boys (and the money) went home, and tea party chapters all over the country dried up.

    I went to two tea party rallies in my area in those days . The dripped with white resentment and thinly disguised and very ugly racism.

    I wasn't used to it then. It had been 40 years since I had seen anything like it.

    Of course, today that comes right out of the White House
     
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  5. fmw

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    Isn't it obvious? You will try to push the people back into an America last position. It can't be too complicated to figure it out. Just go back to the Obama model. Did anybody mention to you that black unemployment is the lowest it has been in history. Seems to me that may well reduce the need for safety nets. What is it about that you don't like?
     
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    The problem is that the Democrat bureaucracy is a poor replacement for a father in the home. LBJ and the Democrats knew exactly what they were when they shackled poor families in economic dependence by breaking up their households.

    Obama created you and your mindset when he ended the post-racial era.

    72 Percent Of Black Kids Raised By Single Parent, 25% Overall In U.S.
    Written By NewsOne Staff
    Posted April 27, 2011
    One in four children in the United States is being raised by a single parent — a percentage that has been on the rise and is higher than other developed countries, according to a report released Wednesday.

    Of the 27 industrialized countries studied by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the U.S. had 25.8 percent of children being raised by a single parent, compared with an average of 14.9 percent across the other countries.

    In the African American community, 72 percent of Black children are raised in a single parent household.

    https://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-american/
     
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    The people who live in housing projects opt to do so. They aren't warehoused. I once had an employee with a master's degree in engineering who escaped a terrible housing project and became successful. Personal responsibility has a lot to do with peoples' lot in life.
     
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    That is an extremely near-sighted, and sadly liberal biased view- and neither accurate or harmless. You had better hope Trump succeeds in turning America's thinking around sufficiently to get us back on the track to being a whole nation and people again- or your great-grandchildren won't even have one. Well-meaning is not enough, you have to understand issues and be strong enough to do what's right in the long run, not what's convenient at the moment. Today is the tomorrow we failed to prepare for yesterday- and if we don't to continue making the same mistakes, it's time we changed some fundamental understanding of what is happening- and change course, to do what is needed to make the people and the nation stronger in the future- because it's coming fast.

    A great many loving parents whose children became drug addicts eventually come to understand that you can't be an enabler and help at the same time. It just doesn't work.
    There are many things that can't be done for a person, they must be done by themselves.
    IF you are dependent, you will (A) Be living off others (B) Resent the fact you are dependent, (C) Hate the people who are paying your bills, and (D) be unable to earn self-respect and gain the power to manage your own life.

    You simply have to accept that so long as you make it possible for dependent people to avoid responsibility for themselves, most of them will do so and be much the worse for your help.

    A hand up is what our generous nation has always done for people in need for reasons they didn't create. We do this because we know that they are independent, that if conditions were reversed they would do the same for others, and that by giving the helping hand we restore their ability to be independent. That is a Hand Up. Everyone wins. We have always been willing to do that, and no doubt always will.

    A hand out is totally different, in that it enables the person to continue to avoid responsibility, to remain dependent. It removes the possibility of restoring self-esteem and power over their own lives. It leaves the hole they feel inside intact- and slowly deepens it. You perpetuate their dependency and hopelessness. That is a Hand-Out. Everyone loses.

    It's not a matter of race at all; this condition applies to anyone and everyone who is unwilling to accept responsibility for themselves. Nobody makes them do it. The fact that life is a challenge is the nature of life- not a plot by others to destroy them. When you tell people that it is; You become the person condemning them to dependency; and that is worse than just paying their way. You corrupt their thinking, you re-inforce the belief that keeps them prisoner in their own
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  9. ararmer1919

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    Or maybe it has nothing to do with race at all and instead has to do with the fact that our entitlement programs are a disaster and are draining the **** out of our economy. But to the racist alt left of course everything is about race.
     
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    Dung, total dung. A new study? Berkeley? NPR? C'mon, you can't do better than that? The reality is that down on the street this division might exist in lower socio economic areas but as a nation we have made enormous progress in race relations. Everything else is politics designed to keep blacks on the Democrat plantation. Welfare is an abomination because it creates dependence that is manipulated by the left like the heroin dealer who gives you your first couple of highs for free. We must become a nation that raises up all races of Americans and offers them a path to self sufficiency and self determination welfare does not achieve that because it was never meant to be.
     
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    Sorry, but like many of your other posts, I just don't buy anything you wrote.
     
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    Donald Trump is pushing the United States into an America last, or an American isolated position.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    I don't really care.

    Since you don't even try and rebut, I will assume that you know what I said is factually correct (and can be documented), but that you just didn't want to hear it.
     
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    "The reality is that down on the street this division might exist in lower socio economic areas but as a nation we have made enormous progress in race relations."

    trump charlottesville.jpg

    Tell us all about it.
     
  15. Lil Mike

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    I've heard it all before, for years. In fact, I hear "raaacccist" on every policy of the Republicans or person who is a Republican. If you actually want to debate the issue, start a thread and bring facts, not just declarative statements. Otherwise I just consider it boil plate BS.
     
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    What, exactly, does posting a Youtube prankster's staged and misrepresented photo tell anyone?
     
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    Yep, I’d rather give that money to billionaires so they can buy another yacht. Who cares a about children...let them die because they’re parents are stupid .I bet you envy those kids they’re so lucky to be getting money so they can live at the poverty level
     
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    Pure and utter drivel.
     
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  19. TomFitz

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    This thread started with the documentation you demanded

    But, as you wish.

    On the whiteness, and right wing tendancies:

    "The large national sample of self-identified Tea Party members available in the Blair-Rockefeller Poll reveals detailed characteristics of this burgeoning and homogenous movement. 91.4% of Tea Party members are White, and 85% are Christian."

    "A clear majority of Tea Party Members (55.1%) identified as Republican, with another 26.7% identifying as Independent, leaning-Republican. "

    On identification with openly racist memes:

    "Nearly two-thirds (62.8%) of White Tea Party members think“we have gone too far in pushing equal rights in this country.”

    https://blaircenter.uark.edu/polling-data-reports/2010-poll/tea-party/

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    If the Tea Party were motivated by racial ill will, group position theorists would reason, then situations that increase feelings of racial threat would likely also increase levels of Tea Party support.

    Study 1 | Image Manipulation

    And indeed, that’s exactly what Willer, Feinberg, and Wetts found. In five separate studies, a group that was primed with racial threat-inducing stimuli showed significantly more support for the Tea Party than a similar group that didn’t, with the gap between the threatened and non-threatened groups as large as 10 percentage points in some cases."

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    Purpose: Test whether racial threat at the election of the first non-white president might have contributed to Tea Party support by making the president’s race more salient through image manipulation.

    Methodology: 365 participants were given a short celebrity identification test where they were shown pictures of Jay Leno, William Shatner, and Barack Obama, then took a survey that evaluated their political opinions, including Tea Party support. Depending on whether they were the control group or not, the picture of Obama was either artificially lightened or artificially darkened.

    Results: White participants in the darkened Obama group were significantly more likely to support the Tea Party, with 22 percent supporting the right-wing political movement compared with 12 percent for the lightened Obama group.

    https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/how-racial-threat-has-galvanized-tea-party



    https://www.vox.com/2016/7/7/12118872/southern-racism-tea-party-trump

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928

    As for the astroturf nature of the national tea party movement.

    "They are: FreedomWorks, the conservative action group led by Dick Armey; dontGO, a tech savvy free-market action group that sprung out of last August's oil-drilling debate in the House of Representatives; and Americans for Prosperity, an issue advocacy/activist group based on free market principles. Conservative bloggers, talk show hosts, and other media figures have attached themselves to the movement in peripheral capacities. Armey will appear at a major rally in Atlanta, FreedomWorks said.


    All three groups vehemently deny that the movement is a product of AstroTurfing--fake grassroots activism organized from the top down--as some on the left have claimed. They will tell you that citizens-turned-activists, upset with President Obama's economic agenda and the financial bailout, have been calling them, asking for help and how they can organize protests on Wednesday. The movement, they say, is entirely organic: they are mostly providing help and resources to this new class of outraged conservative free-market populists, some of whom are their own members and some of whom are outsiders to politics with whom they've never communicated before--not even on an e-mail list."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/04/the-tea-party-movement-whos-in-charge/13041/

    http://time.com/secret-origins-of-the-tea-party/

    https://thinkprogress.org/koch-fron...r-nh-tea-party-rally-and-dinner-af051fbb928b/

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/tea-party-patriots-investigated-part-two/
     
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    Leftist researches conducting prejudiced leftist-based research on Right of Center patriots. I am shocked by what those leftists 'discovered' in their pre-determined way after having already decided ahead of time just what they would find before looking. Shocked I say! hahahahaha!
     
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    The reason I said to start a thread about it is because your Tea Party yammerings are off topic for this thread topic.
     
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    Still you judge by a handful of fringe nuts?
     
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    The other chose is usually to be homeless. Ever try raising a family of fifteen kids in a tent or under a bridge?
     
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    If given the choice between some poor, low IQ people being dependent upon others, or them starving, that is a real easy choice for me, given I actually have a moral compass that trumps any ideological belief or value I might have.

    By your same argument, charity to the poor and sick creates dependence, so let the bastards starve, and never give a dime to charity. Sorry, but when you reduce your argument it ends up in absurdity at best, and a great immorality at worse.

    With that said I do not trust this research of these biased fake scientists.
     
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    Document that claim....... You won't of course, because you made it up again.
     

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