Derek Chauvin stabbed by inmate in federal prison, seriously injured

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  1. Egoboy

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    Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who was convicted of murdering George Floyd, was stabbed in federal prison by another inmate on Friday, according to the Associated Press.

    A person familiar with the situation told the Associated Press that the incident happened at Federal Correctional Institution, Tucson, Arizona.

    The Bureau of Prisons said there was an incident at the prison at around 12:30 p.m. Friday. The agency said employees at the prison contained the incident and performed "life-saving measures," on an inmate, but didn't confirm it was Chauvin.
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    https://www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-stabbed-inmate-federal-prison-seriously-injured-report

    Amazingly, Faux News had the most consise and accurate headline... go figure..

    Not sure what to add here, except this news shouldn't surprise too many folks.. world famous murderer apparently in GenPop...

    Seems that particular prison in Tucson has a reputation for security issues.. Can that be why Chauvin was put there in the first place?
     
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    he should not be in a min security camp, he needs to be in a secure prison it sounds like
     
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    George Floyd might have been an absolute garbage human being. He was a violent felon, driving high, trying to pass off fake money, and had a daughter he didn’t take care of until he died. Then again, a lot of murder victims are **** human beings.

    The look on Chauvin’s face in every picture I see of him screams a resentment towards smartphones and their recording capabilities. Cops in general have fought tooth and nail to have restrictions placed on citizens recording them. Luckily it remains an actively you can freely participate in.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-stabbed-inmate-federal-prison-seriously-injured-report

    Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who was convicted of murdering George Floyd, was stabbed in federal prison by another inmate on Friday, according to the Associated Press.

    A person familiar with the situation told the Associated Press that the incident happened at Federal Correctional Institution, Tucson, Arizona.

    Chauvin was convicted in the 2020 murder of Floyd, which sparked violent protests nationwide.

    The Bureau of Prisons said there was an incident at the prison at around 12:30 p.m. Friday. The agency said employees at the prison contained the incident and performed "life-saving measures," on an inmate, but didn't confirm it was Chauvin.
     
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    He should be in protective custody...
    Gen pop seems ridiculous for such a high profile inmate (especially an ex-cop)..
     
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    yep, not sure how he got moved to a min security camp so soon, crazy
     
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    maybe that was the intention all along.
     
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    You have to ask yourself whether the reason was that did it have to do with the knee to George Floyd or what?
     
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    Prisons are definitely not a nice or safe place to be... especially for cops and child molesters, solitary confinement is pretty much the only way to keep them safe
     
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    He’s a former cop and a high profile prisoner. It’s the perfect storm of conditions to make him a target. The thing is the prison will punish the person who stabbed, but they’re not going to stress trying to keep him safe. He’s going to be locked in a tiny room and kept there for most of the day. He’s looking at 17 years of minimal human contact and severe boredom.
     
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    In my opinion, Chauvin was sentenced to far more time in prison than he deserved. I mean like 5 or 6 times more.
    (There are still many people who do not believe he should have been sentenced to prison at all)

    It's true he decided to plead guilty to federal charges, after having been convicted in a state court, but people do not understand how the system can pressure and coerce individuals to plead guilty, even if those individuals do not think they are guilty. (one possibility he might have just pled guilty because everyone knows prison conditions in a federal prison are better than state)

    There are questions of how inappropriate his conduct was, and how easy it was for him to make the mistake, given the circumstances of the situation. There is also the question of how responsible he should be for the death, since there were other medical factors, and some reasons he might have assumed that the suspect was just being manipulative when claiming he couldn't breathe. Some reasons did exist for him to do what he did, even if they were not entirely justified.
     
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    Floyd may not have been "completely innocent" in the eyes of the law, may have had some thug-like qualities, and in the opinion of myself and many may have been partly responsible for his own death, but I would not call him a "thug" or "garbage". I believe he deserves better than that.
    His death should indeed be viewed as an unfortunate tragedy, even if a slightly more minor degree of tragedy than someone else dying. And even if there was a not so small likelihood he may have ended up dying from a drug overdose or spending many long years in prison if he hadn't died on that particular day.
     
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    it was on video, over 9 min of video, not much for the defense to work with

    his victim was handcuffed, there was no excuse for that

    9 min is a long long time, plenty of time for him to think about what he was doing and stop
     
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    That is a valid point, and a big consideration. But even though the suspect was handcuffed, the suspect had a huge muscular body frame, almost like a heavyweight professional boxer, and the suspect was acting hysterically under the influence of drugs and panic. Even handcuffed, the police officers were struggling to control him and had tired themselves out.

    Chauvin may have been concerned that if the suspect had been able to get up, he might have made a dash for it and run away from the officers and car into traffic. This would have placed both the suspect's life, and the other officers' lives who would have had to follow him, in jeopardy.
    It might have been difficult for the officers to easily hold him back, if he had been able to get up. (Even in handcuffs, I could easily imagine him being able to drag two officers some distance as they grabbed onto him trying to pull him back)
    Unfortunately, when the suspect had been allowed to tumble out of the backseat of the police car, he had tumbled out on the side of the car facing the street traffic.
     
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    there was many of them there, and he was not struggling, he could have handled this better and those around him knew it
     
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    The officers were struggling and had become exasperated and tired out. That was just trying to push him into the police car.
    The suspect had more strength than any of them.

    When the suspect had been allowed to tumble out of the backseat of the police car (by the one younger less experienced officer who was on that side), I think Chauvin may not have fully realized the situation, and just assumed that the suspect had managed to escape on his own.
     
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    Fascinating that people still feel the need to defend this murderer. Not remotely surprised by any of those who do, but fascinating nonetheless. Apparently killing a guy in handcuffs is fine as long as that guy is....from a certain background.

    Hope he recovers quickly from his wounds.
     
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    That is just your characterization of what happened.
    It's pretty clear the killing was not intentional.

    It seems to me most all your side has is characterizations. Jumbling together the facts and saying "this" is what they mean. Except you can barely even give a logically coherent argument why exactly you think they should mean that.

    In my opinion, the suspect was already kind of close to death, and even shooting him with a tranquilizer gun would have likely led to his death.
    Respiratory depression caused by opioids, having the Covid virus (which people did not even know about then) which made it difficult to breathe, and then being loaded up on so many drugs that a heart attack could easily be caused by decrease in oxygen availability. Not to mention the excited delirium and hyperventilation caused by the drugs and emotional hysteria of the suspect. I'm sure struggling against the police trying to push him into the car also depleted additional oxygen.

    The fact that he was a chronic and heavy drug user, and was on a cornucopia of illegal drugs at the time, does not help.
     
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    Dumbass cop MURDERS someone in COLD BLOOD and ends up being STABBED in prison.

    Odds are it was the ATTITUDE of the dumbass cop that resulted in his being stabbed.

    This dumbass cop is a SLOW learner.

    Perhaps he needs to start treating his FELLOW inmates with RESPECT if he wants to live to be a free man.
     
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    No, that is not what happened, not exactly.
    That is just your very selective interpretation of the facts.

    We all know if the cop and suspect had been of the same race, the cop would likely never have been charged.

    There's a possibility, but we really don't know. That seems very speculative.

    More likely he was targeted, due to all the news coverage and his portrayal in the news.
     
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    The VICTIM was NOT a THREAT to ANYONE when this dumbass cop SLOWLY MURDERED him in COLD BLOOD for almost 10 minutes while bystanders PLEADED with him to STOP.

    Dumbass cop became the POSTER BOY for everything that is WRONG with the RACIST policing practices in our nation.

    There are NO EXCUSES for what he did...NONE whatsoever.

    I have ZERO sympathy for racist a/holes like him.
     
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    As I explained to you, if the suspect had been able to get up and started making a run for it into traffic, could have placed his own and the lives of officers (who would have had to follow him) in jeopardy.

    Two or even three officers might not have been able to pull him back so easily, or safely, if he had managed to get up on his feet and made his way into the middle of the city street with many cars going by.

    This wasn't a normal sized person whom an officer could easily control.
     
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    You, and people like you, assume this was done out of racism.

    Show any evidence that was the case.

    Have anything besides the officer was white and the victim was black?
     
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    I will say it may not of been racist, may just of been a cop with a fragile ego that got offended, either way it resulted in this man's death

    at first, they did not do anything about Chauvin, once the video went public, they had no choice

    I hope the same happens in this case, this is another one that is hard to watch



    we need cops that care about society, that listen and try to deescalate
     
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    That's a bit of a double-edged sword though. That also kind of implies it may not have been completely obvious that Chauvin should have been charged, based on what the facts and circumstances were.

    There are a lot of situations that are not completely black or white, that can be subject to different opinions from different people.

    I will also say that police are not the most well equipped to deal with medical situations, or mental illness. That is not really their specialty.
     
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    no, it means the cops protect their own, once the video came out, they had to act, they could no longer hope it went away
     
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