DeSantis moves against Disney with push to eliminate special status for Florida theme park

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look at Detroit.
     
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    There will probably come to be some truth in this facetiousness.

    That's if qualified people will still want to come to the US in the future.
     
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    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Had a teacher friend try to do this. Private so he worked from home. Couldn't use his main computer because it was in the bedroom. Started with a Chromebook on WiFi which kept crashing. Eventually bought a brand new laptop and installed a wired LAN hub. That seemed to work fine but then the kids' phones and tablets etc. would often completely fail to operate.

    I don't think those were great times for him although he made more money than ever in previous years with parents desperate to keep their kids entertained and engaged.
     
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    Seriously. You think I had a chance to deal with some of the incompetent teaching of computer science in my district by other educators?
    What would this have to do with me if I wasn't "the teacher" involved?
    Bingo.
    No.
    I wouldn't even have teachers from the same district involved in evaluating a parent's concern.
     
  5. LangleyMan

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    Nonresponsive.
     
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    What do you think that's going to change? The special magistrate already has a ton of oversight: Minimum job qualifications, selection by commissioner of education, proposal has to be approved by state board of education, and aside from that, the parents can just bypass the whole special magistrate step and go straight to a judge anyways. What terrible harm are you hoping to avoid by adding an extra PTA veto power in there on the special magistrate selection?
     
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    I think the legislation prohibits talking to a group of students regardless of the location. It doesn't appear to restrict teachers from speaking with individual kids.
     
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    This is my understanding as well. "Don't say gay" was a lie.
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    If you want to derail pols from putting in the "fix"—choosing special magistrates who will toady as needed to stop real change—let parents have a say. Most parents don't have the means to go to court, so their best shot at shaking things up is with the magistrate.
     
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    The whole political debate around the law is nuts. Both sides appear content to make it about gays when the legislation is about any practice, any subject, any age parents have concerns about.

    If I had been doing the PR for the teachers as I did in the past, I would have quit if the union wanted to make it about gays. It took a long time when we were trying to oust rightwing extremists from the school board to convince some of the union executive to be bleeping honest.

    I would have advocated the union support the Florida legislation (that would screwed with DeSantis' head! :)) if and only if representative parent organizations were given a veto over commissioners. Getting parents onboard was key to getting rid of sickos on the school board in my district and replacing them with conservatives in touch with a conservative community.

    Parents are potentially the teacher's very best friend. As is said—the teacher's working conditions are your child's learning conditions. Mom and Dad don't want unhappy, discouraged teachers distracted by school politics.
     
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    The point is the courts can order teachers to teach a certain way.
     
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    Our schools never were very good. It's just they haven't improved much while other countries have gotten better.
     
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    Well, now we learn more and realize this was a sham bill that has no chance of dissolving Reedy Creek and was a political grandstand.
     
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    I respectfully disagree about teachers' computer skills even though I realize some courses are much more difficult to teach online. I won't even get to connectivity and equipment problems. In my three decades of teaching, I taught computer science, computer applications, mathematics, accounting, marketing, business startups and history. My middle school principal niece had been tearing her hair out just trying to get her poorer students connected.

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    Not very often.

    I was asked to advise on hiring computer specialists, but the final say always belonged to management.

    In my district, the union put a stop to any idea of department heads ordering teachers around. Yes, I realize some districts have weaker unions or operate on other models.
     
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    Yes, i think so.
     
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    Could you give me some background on what you're talking about here? My impression is that across the nation, school board members are overwhelmingly moderate to liberal (with a handful of conservatives sprinkled in some of the redder states). I've never heard of a whole school board filled with "rightwing extremists". Where was this? When? What, in your story above, distinguished the "rightwing extremist" school board members from the "conservatives in touch with a conservative community? I'm trying to figure out if you're just hanging so far off the left edge of the political spectrum that all conservatives look like "righting extremists" to you and all moderates look like "conservatives in touch with a conservative community", or if there really was a school board somewhere in this country with a majority of its members actually being rightwing extremists.
     
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    I'm really trying to understand your concern here, it's just not making any sense from where I'm sitting. You're worried the commissioner of education is going to appoint a special magistrate that is going to blow off the parent's concerns about age-inappropriate classroom instruction on gender identity or sexual orientation and "stop real change", i.e. allow the teacher to continue to provide age-inappropriate classroom instruction, but if the PTA gets a veto over who the commissioner of education selects as a special magistrate, they'll make sure that a good special magistrate is appointed that will really listen to the parent's concerns and make sure the teachers quit trying to groom kids? That's the theory you're operating from?
     
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    Other countries test only a carefully selected portion of a student population that does NOT include anywhere near the universality of the American school system.
     
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    Very often. Department heads are very frequently chosen from among teaching staff and continue to teach several classes.
     
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    When did you say you retired?
     
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    Yeah looks like DeSantis is going to have a legal battle to get this through and approved.
     
  23. HereWeGoAgain

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    BS. He made 17 million AFTER he left office.

    With a net worth between $59,000 and $366,000, and almost no outside income or investment income, Biden was consistently ranked one of the least wealthy members of the Senate.[131][132][133] Biden said he was listed as the second-poorest member in Congress; he was not proud of the distinction, but attributed it to having been elected early in his career.[134] He has said he realized early in his senatorial career how vulnerable poorer public officials are to offers of financial contributions in exchange for policy support, and pushed campaign finance reform measures during his first term.[25]]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Senate_career_of_Joe_Biden#:~:text=After Tom Carper defeated Roth,senator to cast 10,000 votes.

    Trump stole a 1000x what Biden made honestly.
     
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    The best public school system in 'the West' I know of is in Germany. The worst? Right here in America.

    Here in the U. S., we focus on the lowest 'common denominator', and over the past forty years, that factor has been quite 'bottom-of-the-gut-bucket' LOW....
     
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    No we don't.
     

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