~ Desperately seeking the reality of reality~

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm...

    That has always been the very problem, a lack of people willing to validate Truth.

    That was the message.
    Jesus said, "I am the Truth,"... believe upon me and be saved.

    This is the very essence of the New Testament, that the devils validate the lies which keep us locked into system sure to destroy us and our nation, as they rob us, and take advantage of us, with the propaganda, and the political correctness, and system of things which can not bear the light of Truth.
     
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    What do you feel expands beyond me explanation?
     
  3. Incorporeal

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    Well, it is easy to ascertain that you are not one of those who would follow the teachings of Jesus. What specific "devils" is it which will "validate the lies" for any reason or purpose? What specific system is it that "can not bear the light of Truth"?
     
  4. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Reality unfolds one frame after the next by the forces of the whole network of Natural Laws which form it instant by instant.

    We discover its presence by the Facts we become aware of through our senses.
    You defined Facts, but it is the facts which define for us whatever truth is available to us, by which we image in our mind a mental picture of Reality as best we can know it.
     
  5. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    2) The system of things can not bear the light of truth, because they are ruled by powers and principalities like the white bias that opposed Rev Martin Luther King on Civil Rights in America.

    Or, the powers behind the principality of a Gay Marriage agenda which hides the HIV/AIDS plague from us the number of Carriers increases in America without bound, and the Institution of Marriage is broken down further with No Fault Divorce and a culture that uses that institution only when young people have spent years fornicating.
    Welfare to Single Mothers can not stand the light of the Truth, that it enables the raising of fatherless children which are the social problems and criminal element in America.


    1) The specific devils that validate the lies, ignore the truth, and perpetuate the evil are the Media, the Hollywood elite that has pushed the envelop on porno, the Feminists, the politicians who love their jobs more than the Truth and will not stand up for the right things, like Bill Cosby does, etc.
     
  6. Incorporeal

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    Oh goodness... now you have my curiosity aroused. Generalities in describing someone, someplace, something, some group... is just not acceptable... Who are "they" and what is "system of things" and how do either have relevance to the killing of Dr Martin Luther King? Also who are the "powers and principalities" that you describe as being "like white bias"?

    Wow.. that is quite a sentence in length. Now, the manner in which you began that sentence, it seems that you are saying that there is some 'power' that is driving/motivating/pushing the 'principality of a Gay Marriage agenda'?
    Do you have any idea of what that 'power' is that is doing the driving/pushing?

    Well, first of all, their is a degree of absurdity in saying that there are in existence "fatherless children". Every child I have ever seen, met or even heard of had a father ... either through natural breeding practices or through artificial insemination. Yeah, I know,,, you meant scenarios where the father is 'absent' and has left the mother to raise the child by herself. In light of the emotional thing you have going on with that subject, what would you suggest to be done with those "fatherless children"? Should we just kill them and rid society of the immediate expense and the future high levels of crime? Or should we feed them, clothe them, educate them, take care of their medical needs, etc.?

    Well, do you have verifiable proof of the charges you bring forth about the Media, the (unknown) Hollywood elite, the Feminists, and (again unknown) politicians of a particular category. That is why I frown on the use of generalities. Generalities lead to just absolutely too much ambiguity.
     
  7. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Well, according to recent reports on the events of 1965, even Jacqueline Kennedy was opposed to Rev Martin Luther King and had written him off as a trouble maker.
    The powers of the federal government, added to those of the various Sates in the south were at work behind the scenes to oppose King.

    The principality of Hoover's FBI had tried to Black mail King with dirt they dug up, and the FBI agents had reams of surveillance on him.

    The police powers sic'd the dogs on him and his followers.
    What's s mysterious here?
     
  8. cupid dave

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    Yes, I do.

    Today, we would identify it a the Feminism which founded the Sexual Revolution of 1960.

    But in ancient times, this unseen power in a society was identified as the power of the Goddesses of sexual love, Istar.
    As part of here rites and included in her congregations was the Homosexuals who today we see as her hair dressers, fashion designers, interior decorators, and other such consorts with who she associates:


    ISHTAR; (to the Sumerian INANNA; to the Egyptians, ASTARTE), The greatest of all the mother goddesses of the Mesopotamians. Goddess of fertility, goddess of sex, goddess of the moon, goddess of war. Lady of heaven, lady of sorrow and battles. The great lover, the great mother. The hero-god Gilgamesh spurned her, ensuring his death.

    Venus is her star, and the lion is her cult animal. Ishtar's love is all consuming and even deadly. An Egyptian sculpture portrays her nude, standing on a lion, and holding a lotus blossom (the symbol of life) in her right hand.

    Ishtar's worship involved phallic symbols, sacred whores and painted priests in women's clothing.

    At her shrine at Uruk the priestesses performed a sexual rite in her honor. A priestess played the goddess; the priest who played the god was slain.

    The Christians turned her into a demon, and she is mentioned as such in Milton's PARADISE LOST.


    The practice is said to have deteriorated into prostitution and degraded cult practices which shifted focus, as a spiritual icon representing love in its noblest aspect, to lustful, sexual desire without love.

    As culture changed, she became the reviled goddess of harlots and was exploited.
     
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    Proof of the claims you made prior to the question you asked.
     
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    Again, you have cited numerous claims to which you have provided no evidence of such events or personages ever existing. BTW: how does anyone turn something into a demon?

     
  11. cupid dave

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    There is nothing "emotional going on about" the cost to the tax Payer in 2011, of $1 Trillion dollars for these Welfare cases.

    That is MORE that the Federal budget for the Military expenditure every year.
    It is almost double the Federal Bank-Bail-Out in 2008.

    It does not include the cost to the courts and the prisons which must deal with the children raised by Single Mother wherein they are responsible for 70% of all violent crime in America.

    What seems as simple and rational "suggest to be done with those fatherless children" would be to stop having them.

    Stop Welfare, as we know it, and find some way that re-establishes the Institution of marriage wherein the fathers and mothers together pay for the support and attend to the responsibility of raising good citizens again.
    maybe pay young people who get married and have a low income an incentive that is way better than welfare, and includes the Medicaid which those mothers were getting for free.
     
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    IMO, anything found in naturally in nature is reality, anything man made is not.
     
  13. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    You need read the recent Books published since I began posting these complaint over the last ten years.
    I like to believe that the authors went to great lengths to discover me wrong, but then published the facts which support and evidence the truth in what I tell you here:


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    And Chas Murray's book, Coming Apart, explains the Statistics and the science of the sociology, in great detail:

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    From the bestselling author of Losing Ground and The Bell Curve, this startling long-lens view shows how America is coming apart at the seams that historically have joined our classes.

    In Coming Apart, Charles Murray explores the formation of American classes that are different in kind from anything we have ever known, focusing on whites as a way of driving home the fact that the trends he describes do not break along lines of race or ethnicity.

    Drawing on five decades of statistics and research, Coming Apart demonstrates that a new upper class and a new lower class have diverged so far in core behaviors and values that they barely recognize their underlying American kinship—divergence that has nothing to do with income inequality and that has grown during good economic times and bad.

    The top and bottom of white America increasingly live in different cultures, Murray argues, with the powerful upper class living in enclaves surrounded by their own kind, ignorant about life in mainstream America, and the lower class suffering from erosions of family and community life that strike at the heart of the pursuit of happiness. That divergence puts the success of the American project at risk.

    The evidence in Coming Apart is about white America. Its message is about all of America.
     
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    That suggestion would also be a form of welfare. Welfare, "as we know it" also includes other people such as seniors who are no longer able to work, medical patients who are no longer able to work, mothers and fathers whose spouse went to prison for crimes unrelated to parenting responsibilities, and the list goes on. So where does the line get drawn, and who is going to be the arbiter of decisions as to who will be eligible and who will not be eligible?
     
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    Well, no one is denying you the privilege of 'believing' those things. However, all you have provided is another opinion of someone else. Though the opinion may have been based on statistics, that in itself might have been an appeal to probability.

    Also, you failed to respond to the question about 'demons'.

     
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    You are trying to side step the issue here.

    We need to spend money as a nation in ways that assure we do things that benefit the society.
    We can call that whole idea, welfare, as in looking after the welfare of the citizens.

    But we also use the capitalized word, Welfare, to refer to system, which now does not benefit the citizens, and in fact, destroys the families and abuses the children of those to whom we pay it.

    It seems rational to claim that giving money, @ $35,000/year to women willing to avoid marriage and yet have babies is a strong incentive for them to take that Job.

    Is that what America wants and is that what is good for America?
    And, is that what promotes voters for Liberal democratic politicians who gain high paying lucrative and even prestigious jobs?
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    You asked me to find other supporting evidence for these things I bring to your attention, which these statistically based books apparently do.
     
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    Who made the comment: "maybe pay young people who get married and have a low income an incentive that is way better than welfare". If you did not want that issue to be a part of the conversation, then you should not have introduced that subject as your own means of sidestepping the issue.

    A lofty ideal, but not suggestive of any positive steps toward that action. Interesting.

    Who is "we"?

    How astute of you to make such an observation.

    Shame on that system. A system that you support with your tax dollar. Don't like the system, then take active steps to control, alter or abolish it as opposed to spouting off from the mouth at a chat forum that has little if any affect upon what the system does.

    Sounds like you are jealous of the manner in which some people perform activities that support their well being.

    Ask America if you can find him or her.

    More of that jealousy being shown via your question about how other people make a living.
     
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    That is not evidence. That is opinions designed in a manner that supports a lucrative income for those that have a vested interest in the opinions.
     
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    That is true. But what about or outlooks affect our perception of reality? If as an atheist we have a world view that tells us that there is no god and that belief in such is a waste of time. If as a Christian belief in God is essential and that his word gives us the answers that solve many riddles that befuddles others. Both are certainly valid points of view. Which one is correct? How do we know? Atheists say that reason is the way we know. Christians (actually that is just me, I learned it from another but I am the only one who has used it as an argument that I know of) say that reason is only partial that excludes God, and that God's word is our guide and that his son Jesus Christ who says "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but passes from death to life." John 5:24. Atheists believe that our lives have no eternal meaning and that death is the end of our miserable existences. Christians say the our lives are wholly meaningful and the every act or word has eternal impact and that death, whether in belief or unbelief, is extended into eternity either in the presence of the living God, or in seperation from the living God, both conditions are eternal. To both that is reality, but if there is but one truth then only one view is reality.
     
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    If "troubling things" are a stumbling block for you I can understand that, I have shared them. But I came to a place where I began to understand that God is through various means, I do not say that I have perfect clarity, but I do say that I have accepted 1) God does not lie, 2) God is understandable, 3) that I have sinned in many ways, 4) that I need a means to aliviate my guilt once I understood that I have it, 5) that God made a way for that path (the narrow way) of forgiveness, 6) and because of that belief I have eternal life. There are a myriad of other reasons, historical, personal, and prophetic, that solidify my belief that the Bible is the word of the Living God. Our whole condition is a result of the fall when the very nature of man and all other things in creation were changed from perfection to corruption and decay, i.e., "how can a loving God allow evil and pain and suffering in the world". God has called us and saved us for the very purpose of loving even those who hate us, can't find it off hand, but Jesus said that the world hates us because of him, because the world hated him first. "The world" being that which is not of God, defined I suppose in many different ways. The enemy has the whole world (system) from which to develope his "weapons", science, geo-politics, false religion, social pressure, and on and on and on. ...no weapons formed agaist us shall stand...
     
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    Wrong.

    It is not proof, but it is part of the evidence which can be placed upon the table for our consideration.

    What we need do is read these all so current books which are in-depth science-based Studies ending with various conclusions that we might call the opinion of the author at that point.

    It is the thoughtless factless things you say that are mere opinion.
     
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    Your philosophy here is half arse, too.

    Much more evil prevails because men do nothing at all, though their "thoughts however wicked they may be" are not "made manifest by some action."

    It is that matter of thoughtlessness in you that I post these answer for the things you use to road block the actions good men ought consider.
     
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    Now, with the claims you have made above: Where is the evidence that will irrefutably support those claims?
     

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