Did Mary and Yahweh have a child out of wedlock?

How do you define "serious thinkers"?

 

The Immaculate Conception was not the Conception of Jesus. Your comment is an example of the ignorance of anti-theists' abuse of arguing the straw man.

 

So...are you saying you are not a serious thinker?

Also...I think history proves you wrong.

 

Cool............

should we all believe 'god'?

Genesis 3:22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --

i know the command of no false witness, how many here can witness jesus rising from the dead?

anyone here EVER have NO SIN?

what if is the 'light' of all your mass? ie... the life of all that exists.

the copulation is an act by choice, when it comes to the human choice

but the conveyance of the light (sperm/egg) has the life of each parent upon that mass

 

I'd say some of the great minds of the past would disagree with you.

 

I gave an explanation about that in another thread:

Post #43 of page #5 on "No real Adam? No real salvation" linked HERE.

It is a protest against incorrect doctrine, but I say it is not true to call it as a "Protestant" position as if Catholics can not seek or find the truths too.

The scripture do declare that Joseph waited until after Jesus was born before he had intercourse ("knew") his wife Mary, Matthew 1:24-25. Later Mary and Joseph had other children because Jesus had 4 brothers and at least 2 sisters, Matthew 13:55-57.

There is nothing "sad" about this as this is straight out Bible reference text.

 

No, she and Joseph did.

 

Serious Thinkers = People that do not waste energy thinking about religious nonsense.

 

Mary had an immaculate conception, not Jesus.
Why would anyone claim Jesus had an Immaculate conception?
So, since I DO know and understand who had the immaculate conception, go back and learn to read. I am quite conversant with many religions and their beliefs, including several variations on the catholic sect.

 

Nope, I don't think about religion at all, I just interact with people and their actions. Religious is nonsense, not worth thinking about, however people and the reasons they believe in nonsense are often quite interesting.
Also, History proves me right, NOTHING serious has come from religious thinkers, just more religious nonsense to confuse, re-confuse and cross-confuse everyone that follows them.

 

Mary did not HAVE an immaculate conception, Mary was immaculately conceived. It refers to her being engendered in the womb of her mother St. Anne. It has nothing to do with the conception of Jesus.

Try again.

 

I personally have never sinned.

 

I suppose ignorance is bliss....carry on.

 

They might:
1 if they were alive.
2 they would be wrong if they did.

 

Again you are reading your own definition into the text. Abuse of scripture is when you make scripture say what it never intended to say. Matthew's purpose in this statement is to confirm the virgin birth, that no man had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus. An honest examination of the text cannot extrapolate to the affirmative that Joseph had sex with Mary after the birth of Jesus. The word "until" can be understood much as it is in this passage:

Matthew 28 (Darby)
19Go [therefore] and make disciples of all the nations, baptising them to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit;

20teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have enjoined you. And behold, I am with you all the days, until the completion of the age.
(bold added)

It would be a mistake to assume, reading this passage, that Jesus would abandon the apostles after the end of the age. The word until is part of a prepositional phrase that indicates a reality in play up to and at the time of the birth of Jesus, but projects itself no further than that. It is a mistake to draw the conclusion based on the passage you offered that Joseph had sexual relations with Mary at any time.

 

Tomteapack was on ignore after I saw his first post. I find that's the best way to deal with the atheist trolls.

 

So apparently you are blissful.

 

Perhaps you can find the religious connotation of The Little Engine That Could. That book is about as valid in proving god as any scripture.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8"]I know you are but what am I? - Pee-Wee's Big Adventure - YouTube[/ame]

 

I'm not the one that believes in fairy tales.

 

con·cep·tionNoun/kənˈsepSHən/
1. The action of conceiving a child or of a child being conceived.
You need to learn to read.
Mary was the immaculate conception, she was the child being conceived, as I have said several times, the immaculate conception had NOTHING to do with Jesus, ROFLOLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLOLOLOOLLOOLLOLOOLLLOOLLOLOOLLOLOL

Oh, and the immaculate conception is just catholic nonsense, made up for who knows what reason.

 

Glad you know now.

 

Jesus could not of been born out of sin. Since everyone was to inherit original sin from Adam, Mary needed to have been immaculately conceived. God can not be born out of sin.

 

If your going to try and make fun, atleast get it right. You should be asking if the Holy Spirit and Mary

 

I wonder if tom even knows what he did there lol