Did Trump engage in a 'Conspiracy to defraud the United States'?

And when the rest of the world uses fight and other mean sounding words.... do you notice then.... here is 11 minutes of it

 

The Amerikan justice system would be a joke if it wasn't so pathetically tragic and dangerous. Any ordinary person who would be accused of the same crimes would have been behind bars long ago awaiting trial and denied bail. The evidence for all his crimes is so overwhelming that it should be a slam dunk (for any ordinary person).

 

And Trump's tweets came quicker than the select committee Liz said... which means she lied...
And it is not a far stretch to think after the Elon twitter dump.... there were more tweets that was deleted by twitter we will never see that would exonerate Trump......Jim Baker is a slime ball 101... Trump could very well have tweeted at 1:00... we would never know it or could prove it..

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/twitter-files-removal-donald-trump-part-2
""remain peaceful. No violence!"" at 3:13 ................... stay "peaceful" at 2:38

 

I often use the 'a teaspoon of goodwill doesn't quell a truckload of ill will' metaphor' when countering the "he said 'go peacefully' " trope.

 

You wrote:

What you believe about it determines if you participated in a concerted effort to spread false information.

The statement has a false premise. Rather than make offensive statements, you should, if you were honest, just say what you are really trying to say rather than frame it in a bizarre fashion. See, what the statement actually says that you believe I stated something that is false. Okay, what? Let's debate, but don't make some bizarre statement predicated on that premise, just come right out and say it ,and then be specific.

You'll have to commit debate sins far worse than that for me to put you on ignore. But, if you want me to, I will, just let me know,.

 

I hear ya, but it is the wording of the criminal code.

 

Clearly you have very little grasp over logical arguments.

You seem to be goading me to do something. I'll continue being me. You do you.

 

Clearly you do not understand what constitutes bona fide evidence, and what doesn't. What you have presented is merely material which predicates inquiry.

That's it.

Well, there is plenty of incompetence to go around, but of course, you don't care about republican incompetence, as you forgot to mention that Trump set up the deal with the Taliban, ignoring the Afghan government who were forced to flee, and then negotiated for 5000 taliban terrorists to be released and got nothing for it, what could possibly go wrong? Biden cleaned up Trump's mess and crap was bound to happen, but we had to get out of there, enough was enough.

https://www.newsweek.com/stop-blaming-biden-afghanistan-hes-cleaning-trumps-mess-opinion-1622049

The images coming out of Afghanistan have been disturbing. But let's be clear: The Trump Administration led us straight into this mess. And President Biden is doing everything he can to get us out of it.

In Afghanistan, President Biden got dealt yet another losing hand from the Trump Administration. Their Doha Agreement with the Taliban violated the most basic principles of self-government for the Afghan people. There was no way to enforce it or make sure the Taliban kept its word. There was no denunciation of al-Qaeda terrorists. Worst of all, the deal didn't mandate the Taliban stop attacks against Afghan security forces.

All of this set the stage for the chaotic scenes we're seeing on TV today.

I'll file your comment in the 'monday morning quarterback comments' file, and an extra copy for the 'hindsight is 20/20 file' by those who cheap shot and pontificate behind their computers but are wholly unaware of the complexity of the task and all that was good that occurred, such as the 122,000 persons who were airlifted out of Afghanistan.

 

And apparently, neither do you. A biased political investigation has less credibility than that on Biden.

And that would be a lie.

I don't mention every misdeed by everyone else in this world when I talk about a specific person's misdeed and neither do you.

I am not sure what mess Biden cleaned up. The economy is worse. We are in more danger of getting involved in a war, the border is a disaster and crime is on the upswing. I prefer Trump's mean tweets to what we have now.

 

Your vacuous claims are not 'logical arguments'. Anyone can blurt out anything.

Please provide a substantive rebuttal, and in case you do not know, try:

1. State your claim or premise
2. Provide a well thought out path of reasoning
3. Supplement it with links, documents, testimonies, authoritative articles, something is better than nothing.

But blurting out your opinion isn't worth much

Clearly, for someone who claims to understand what a logical argument is, you'd know that.

Now, if I don't, I'm always willing to back up my claims, or provide reasoned thought for my opinions.

 

Here is my argument (again).

In order to have an agenda to spread false information you have to be aware that it's false. If you don't know it's false, false information is still being spread but not intentionally.

Now deal with it.

 

Did Trump engage in a 'Conspiracy to defraud the United States'?

I think a better way to put it is that Trump sided with an opinion about the validity of the 2020 elections that differed from the currently prevailing opinion. I think he was sincere, just like Al Gore was sincere. I have no opinion on the matter because the election was never investigated for fraud despite the evidence. I think Trump's opinion is just as valid as that of the OP. At any rate, it is time to get past it. Nothing is going to change.

 

He is, the topic is defrauding the United States government by challenging election results.

So did Gore?

 

No, the topic before the forum is the question as to whether trump committed conspiracy to defraud United States not if Gore did.

Now please respond to the topic at hand, thank you.

 

The question is what is a fraud against the United States in a election and using the items you listed then so did Gore.

I have responded over and over to your misrepresentations.

 

How do you know this ? How do you prove this ?
The election results are certified at many levels(local, state, federal). Where is your EVIDENCE ? Oh wait, you don't have any and your boy lost 60 lawsuits because of just that.

 

It is behind lock and key… show us the the DOJ investigations reports into federal election fraud and you find the evidence there…

 

Ok, show me...... fill out the FOIA request, I'll wait. Until then, you have nothing and I have certified election results.

 

No refutation given, your reply lacks substance. My point stands. You do not understand what constitutes evidence because what you believe was evidence was only predication for inquiry. "The Big Guy gets 10%" will be vanquished on cross examination, it's not poof, anyone can make that claim. I could send my mother an email that you conspired to receive a percentage of ill gotten gains, but does that prove you actually did? No, it doesn't, anyone can say anything in an email or anywhere else, it's an empty claim.

Please tell this forum you are not stupid.

Now, if you can refute that, try, but you haven't, thus far. The point stands

Your vacuous, ergo empty claim is without foundation. conclusions are based on 1000s of testimonies, 100s of thousands of documents, emails, texts.
Read the report and you will find this out, but, of course, you appear to be choosing the path of ignorance and making biased empty claims onl;y because you are miffed that it is republicans who are committing the crimes, and not democrats.

And no, you have provided NO evidence that Joe Biden has committed any crimes.

None. We a TON of evidence against Trump and republican's. YOu have NOTHING on Joe Biden.
In fact, history is replete that proves White House crimes are committed by Republicans.



That is the Truth that you cannot handle. But that truth is the bitter pill you must swallow, and swallow it whole.

Well, all I see is your ignoring the TON of evidence against Trump and his minions, and believing the fantasy that the laptop has evidence against Joe.

So, appears to be the truth.

I mention the misdeeds of those in power, the greatest number of misdeeds by the most recent person in power is Trump.
You only mention the fantasy of 'evidence' against Joe Biden and ignore the misdeeds of Trump.

He cleaned up the chaos left to him by Trump, who paid lip service for four years getting out of Afghanistan but couldn't get it done and Biden had to do it but Trump did manage to get 500 taliban terrorists released and got nothing in exchange, and did manage to cause the Afghan government to flee because he chose to deal with only the Taliban, and then had the gall to invite the Taliban to Camp David. Trump realized getting out of Afghanistan would be difficult so he kicked the can to Biden.
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Trump paid lip service to getting something done in infrastructure for four years, but only Biden got it done within the first 100 days.
Now the Biden DOJ has to clean up the damage Trump has done on national defense information documents, and who knows what the damage he has done.
Trump needs to be incarcerated and soon.

At this juncture, the economy is doing better GDP wise and Job growth wise, than Trump.

NO were not.

In 233 years of our nation's history, NO president has secured the border. When Trump was in charge, he did manage to separate 2000 children from their parents for a crime no worse than a class B misdemeanor. DId he create a record so that those children could be reunited? For many of them, he didn't, which reveals a callous disregard for the plight of children.

Crime, since 1990, has dropped considerably.

However, hate crimes spiked under Trump.

https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889
But a nationwide review conducted by ABC News has identified at least 54 criminal cases where Trump was invoked in direct connection with violent acts, threats of violence or allegations of assault.

The fact is that white supremacists love Trump. one wonders why.

 

You cut out the parts of my post which did have substance.

Knock off the insults.

Violent crime has gone up in 2022.
Report: Homicides down, violent crime overall up so far in 2022 (msn.com)

 

I cheered when I heard he was getting us out of Afghanistan. However, his method against the advice of the military, was a total disaster.

 

What false information might that be?

The one that you are spreading?

 

That's not dealing with an argument. That's ignoring it.

 

Did Trump engage in a 'Conspiracy to defraud the United States'?


That's the question put to the forum.

Nothing mentioned about Gore.

Please stay on topic.

Misrepresentations? Such as?

 

well, you have to tell me what argument is, before I can respond to it.

You really haven't done that.

NOw, what would you like to debate? Hmmm?

Got anything SPECIFIC ?