Did Trump engage in a 'Conspiracy to defraud the United States'?

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  1. yardmeat

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    None of that had anything to do with election fraud.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    It proved no such thing. Cite the line, page, in the report.
     
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    So. You admit that Joe Biden was the big guy.
     
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    CIA John Brennan briefed Obama and Biden of what Hillary was doing and setting up Trump with the collusion scam to deflect from her server (which implicates Obama who used that server to communicate to her using a pseudonym to hide his identity)... and that fact creates another question... did Mueller turn his head to this as he would have had to know...
    Obama, Biden, and the intel community were aware of Hillary's scheme to cook up the Russian collusion scheme to deflect from her server.... they all participated in an attempted failed coup to overthrow a citizen and then duly elected president... everyone of them should be investigated for their participation....
    ""She had no foreknowledge, nor did she communicate with, Steele.""...
    Not only did she know, but the president Obama knew... Biden knew... and the whole intel community knew it... which is why Sussmann trial was a joke...
    Not only did Mueller, the FBI knew, CIA, knew...
    All documented... and undeniable.... The Obama Whitehouse was in on it... how much more "in your face" can you get and no one goes to jail..
    Strange how our Republican special prosecutor Mueller missed this.... maybe he did not do a very good job of investigation...
    ""Former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s “plan” to tie the Trump campaign to Russia as a means of distracting the public from her private email server scandal before the 2016 election, according to newly declassified documents.""
    https://news.yahoo.com/dni-releases-cia-documents-hillary-204337457.html
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-brennan-notes-cia-memo-clinton
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/0...ral-on-clinton-campaigns-collusion-operation/

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    It was legitimate to look into the Trump Tower meeting between the Trump campaign and the Russians, to see if any election laws were broken. I believe laws WERE broken, but the DoJ decided against this.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    What does it prove?

    We know who individual-1 is, and that does prove something.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    10% to the Big Guy while he was VP.

    Just face it. Your guy is corrupt.
     
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  10. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    So Hillary wanted to take real events and highlight them to distract from her emails, and since her emails
    were being blown out of proportion by the right in order to defeat her in the election, that..................

    Sounds reasonable.

    Where you argument takes a flying leap is 'failed coup'.

    Sorry, no evidence for it.

    Now, repeat after me, the real story you are trying to deflect attention away from, the real story, given that it involves.....

    THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO IS
    THE FRONT RUNNER FOR 2024 ELECTION

    Trump is a sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal
    who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention
    that he despises democracy and has betrayed America

    Trump org, indicted
    Trump CFO, in prison
    Trump campaign mgr., convicted.
    Trump, 34 felony counts in NYC
    Trump, sued for $250 million in NY.
    Trump, found liable for sex abuse and defamation, must pay $5 million
    Trump, being investigated for obstruction relating to the theft of national defense information documents
    Trump, being investigated for election fraud in GA
    Trump, being investigation for crimes related to Jan 6 attack, Jan 6 attempt to overturn the election by delaying the joint session fo congress.
    Trump, settled for $25 million having scammed thousands out of millions in a fake university scam
    Trump, fornicated with a porn star just after his newly wed wife gave birth and threw his long time dedicated lawyer under the bus.
    Trump charity, shut down for 'illegal activity' Trump fined $2 million.

    Got it?
     
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    The DOJ decided against it because the Russian lawyer was a plant by the Hillary Clinton and crew at Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson... and they would not want to uncover that fact that Glenn and her had worked together... Glenn and her had meals/meetings the day before and the day after the meeting... in two different US cities... what a cowinsidink.... what are the odds of that happening..
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nothing in that document supports your claim:

    'Conspirators to defraud the United States' is the failed coup of a former president Obama, current "resident" Joe... and our own government conspired to overthrow our own government in an insurrection.


    NOTHING.

    Now, repeat after me, the real story you are trying to deflect attention away from, the real story, given that it involves.....

    THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO IS
    THE FRONT RUNNER FOR 2024 ELECTION

    Trump is a sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal
    who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention
    that he despises democracy and has betrayed America

    Trump org, indicted
    Trump CFO, in prison
    Trump campaign mgr., convicted.
    Trump, 34 felony counts in NYC
    Trump, sued for $250 million in NY.
    Trump, found liable for sex abuse and defamation, must pay $5 million
    Trump, being investigated for obstruction relating to the theft of national defense information documents
    Trump, being investigated for election fraud in GA
    Trump, being investigation for crimes related to Jan 6 attack, Jan 6 attempt to overturn the election by delaying the joint session fo congress.
    Trump, settled for $25 million having scammed thousands out of millions in a fake university scam
    Trump, fornicated with a porn star just after his newly wed wife gave birth and threw his long time dedicated lawyer under the bus.
    Trump charity, shut down for 'illegal activity' Trump fined $2 million.

    Got it?
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's spin. Hillary is merely wanting to highlight real events to deflect away from her email issue,
    which the right was blowing out of proportion, so her plan was perfectly reasonable, given she was a candidate.

    Now, repeat after me, the real story you are trying to deflect attention away from, the real story, given that it involves.....

    THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO IS
    THE FRONT RUNNER FOR 2024 ELECTION

    Trump is a sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal
    who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention
    that he despises democracy and has betrayed America

    Trump org, indicted
    Trump CFO, in prison
    Trump campaign mgr., convicted.
    Trump, 34 felony counts in NYC
    Trump, sued for $250 million in NY.
    Trump, found liable for sex abuse and defamation, must pay $5 million
    Trump, being investigated for obstruction relating to the theft of national defense information documents
    Trump, being investigated for election fraud in GA
    Trump, being investigation for crimes related to Jan 6 attack, Jan 6 attempt to overturn the election by delaying the joint session fo congress.
    Trump, settled for $25 million having scammed thousands out of millions in a fake university scam
    Trump, fornicated with a porn star just after his newly wed wife gave birth and threw his long time dedicated lawyer under the bus.
    Trump charity, shut down for 'illegal activity' Trump fined $2 million.

    Got it?
     
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    Please tell us why Joe Biden has all the skeletons in his closet and no one has opened that door yet?
    do you realize the campaign people who the DOJ went after were not charged with Russian Collusion...

    And last but not least... the Durham report laying open the illegal and corrupt way the DOJ manufactured evidence.... the "fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine" frees and exonerates each and every one...

    The coup attempted by Obama and Biden directly effected the voters perception of what was going on... so yes the 2020 election was stolen..

    Got it?...
     
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    No evidence has ever been given for the claim. Gilliar, the guy who wrote the '10% for the Big Guy' was just talking sh*t in that email, and he explicitly stated that he never witnessed Joe Biden receiving any money from Hunter's biz deals.

    The difference between me and you is that when I claim someone is corrupt, I have real evidence for it.

    You don't, you traffic in innuendo. You should be ashamed of yourself.
     
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    Evidence not needed... only reasonable suspicion to start a DOJ investigation.. where is the DOJ investigations into it?
    Please explain were is the evidence you speak of... where would it be physically located and who has possession of it?
     
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    There is real evidence.

    10% to the Big Guy. Testimony that Joe Biden is the Big Guy.

    Lied repeatedly about knowing Hunter's Business

    20 shell companies when the Biden's have no business other than money from overseas sources.

    Numerous visits to Joe Biden while VP by Hunter's bosses.

    Probably more, but this is off the top of my head.

    There is no direct evidence that Trump did anything illegal, but that has not bothered you.
     
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    How about we talk about the present?

    Texas has a real problem. Do the Republican governor and Republican legislature even care? It would seem that they don't. Abbott recently stated that the many murders in the state are caused by mental illness.

    "Beginning September 1, 2021, HB1927 made it legal in Texas for most people 21 or over to carry a handgun in a holster without a permit both openly and/or concealed. This law modified the previous open carry law from 2016 by eliminating the requirement to have a license to carry, austintexas.gov. Note: most guns are purchased from "private sellers," meaning no background checks.

    This is what happens under Republican leadership.

    According to CNN, five of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in America over the past eight years have been in Texas, the latest occurring in Allen in early May when a gunman fired an AR-15-style rifle at a crowded outlet mall, killing eight people and injuring at least seven others. The number of mass shootings in Texas is no coincidence given the sheer number of guns in the hands of the public.

    ABC reports, "A 12-year-old boy shot a Sonic Drive-In employee in Texas several times. The boy used an AR-style rifle in the shooting."

    CNN reports, "A mother in Dallas, Texas, was going to pick up a prom dress with her daughter when she was fatally shot.

    "A 1-year-old boy is expected to survive after he was accidentally shot by his 4-year-old brother at their home in Texas on Tuesday afternoon, authorities said," ABC

    The President wants Congress to allow him to pay the country's current bills such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veteran's benefits, and as well as other obligations to the American people.

    Republicans are not allowing this. They want to address future spending with a Republican House bill that approves the debt limit increase but guts many of the President's programs and has no chance of becoming law.

    Congress has increased or suspended the debt limit unconditionally 78 times since 1960 under both Republican and Democratic administrations, three times under Trump. Without a war or a recession, $7.8 trillion was added to the National Debt during the Republican administration of Donald Trump.

    States governed by Republicans have enacted laws in which the government is in control of a woman's health if she is pregnant.

    According to the Times, Republican Representative George Santos of New York was charged last week in a 13-count federal indictment. Republicans voted to refer the resolution to expel Mr. Santos to the House Ethics Committee, virtually killing the resolution. Republicans refuse to expel the criminally indicted congressman.

    "Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican-controlled Legislature and a rapidly growing network of conservative groups aligned to pass three state laws last year aimed at banning books used in libraries and classrooms," Times

    Is this the Republican idea of leadership?

    As proof that Republicans are inept at leadership, Republicans are equally inept at responding to reality as displayed here.
     
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    DeSantis targeted Disney after the company publicly criticized a controversial Florida bill — dubbed “Don't Say Gay” by critics — that limits discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in classrooms.

    Even Republicans are saying that is not very bright. For the people of Florida, the chickens have come home to roost.

    The Post reports, "Disney has scuttled a Florida office construction project that would have been worth nearly $1 billion amid an ongoing feud with Gov. Ron DeSantis (R).

    "The Lake Nona Town Center project was expected to bring about 2,000 jobs to Orange County, Fla., enabled by a state tax credit. But Disney is now telling California-based staffers they will no longer have to relocate."

    A spokesman for DeSantis said Disney has fallen on hard times.

    “Given the company’s financial straits, falling market cap and declining stock price, it is unsurprising that they would restructure their business operations and cancel unsuccessful ventures,” Jeremy Redfern said.

    Other American companies would love to have Disney's "problems."

    "Disney in its most recently completed quarter reported revenue of $21.8 billion, up 13 percent year-over-year. The division that includes Walt Disney World and other theme parks saw particularly strong growth of 17 percent for the quarter. Disney’s stock price is down about 10 percent from a year ago," Post.

    Florida Republicans passed a bill that targets transgender persons. It limits discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in classrooms.

    While we are on the subject, what do Republicans have against transgender persons? Nationally, there are roughly one million adults who are transgender, and Republicans are treating them as though they were a national security threat. I don't get it.

    I don't expect an answer from the forum Republicans. They don't talk much.

    "President Trump famously declared during his 2016 campaign that he loved the “poorly educated” because voters with lower levels of schooling delivered an overwhelming share of votes to him," the conservative Washington Times.

    Maybe that is why.

    Is this the Republican idea of leadership?
     
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    Why don't you compare the state of Texas against Chicago?
     
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    Money to Joe is a just part of the issue... influence peddling and Joe knowing what his family was doing while claiming he did not is another part of it... Multiple national security issues have already been revealed...

    As Nancy Mace said...

    ""The DOJ needs to get off its ass and investigate... we've done the work for them so they can not screw it up now""

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LmD-BH_Qt0Q
    https://rumble.com/v2n1vsa-rep.-nancy-mace-doj-needs-to-get-off-its-ass-and-investigate.html
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    surveilling trump tower legitimate? the freedom and security of 300 million citizens was depending on our intelligence guys keeping an eye on that snakepit!
     
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    Trump tower was a setup by Hillary and associates..
     
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    Speaking on Fox News’ “Hannity, “There doesn’t have to be a process, as I understand it,” Trump said. “You’re the president of the United States, I can declassify just by saying it’s declassified, even by thinking about it.”

    DeSantis targeted Disney after the company publicly criticized a controversial Florida bill — dubbed “Don't Say Gay” by critics — that limits discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in classrooms. "Disney has scuttled a Florida office construction project that would have been worth nearly $1 billion amid an ongoing feud with Gov. Ron DeSantis (R)."

    Is this the Republican idea of leadership?

    Democrats can breathe easy. The best the Republican Party can come up with for President in 2024 is Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump.
     
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    Popscott, I've told you many times that the DOJ has been investigating Hunter Biden for over three years. Bill Barr assigned US Attorney Delaware David Weiss as Special Counsel to investigate Hunter Biden, and he's been at if for some three maybe four years now. Guess what, no indictments.

    Do you even read my posts? Are you even paying attention that goes beyond the right wing echo chamber?

    Apparently not.
     
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