Do Homosexuals Think They Can Get a Free Pass from God?

So what? Then those people too will burn in hell forever. Isn't that what you want? To see them get what they deserve for ignoring God? Share the good word with people. If they listen and want to go to God they will. If they do not they won't. And in your belief they will be punished for it. So it really doesn't matter what everyone else does on this Earth and only what you do, because only the individual can decide for themselves if they wish to follow Christianity.

Who said anything about wishing?

Who said that all homosexuals who go to church continue to call themselves "homosexuals who were born that way"? How do you know their intention isn't to try and 'fix' themselves to become the correct orientation in God's eyes?

 

I think you're right. If Zeus didn't approve of homosexuality, his conduct with a certain young Ganymede deserves a long dissertation regarding his behavior!

 

Actually, no he couldn't. Only you can sell your integrity or your free will. If you choose to sell it for a heaven that doesn't exist, that's your prerogative, but don't expect me to respect you for it. Even if it existed, I still don't think it'd be worth it.

Sometimes, adults need to read more, and maybe think a little more too. I think this is one of those times. For primary source material, it's hard to beat The Federalist Papers, but I also recommend whatever collection of antifederalist essays you can procure the easiest (they weren't very cohesive anyway), so that you compare, look for common ground, and recognize the difference between the mob rule (excuse my biased language, but my federalist persuasion is hard to conceal) the Antifederalists argued for and the rights-based, extremely limited democracy that was eventually settled on in the Constitution. Ex post facto analyses are always rather biased, but I have my favorites from there as well.

I also recommend you study the history of the French Revolution and notice that the major defining contrast was not the areligiosity that some conservatives focus on, but the disregard of rights in order to effect the general "majority" will-- at the expense of liberty. This says little about the Constitution per se, but it says a whole lot about good government and our tradition of it.

Now, as for your comment about me not understanding "literally the first thing," I'll address the first thing in the Constitution-- just in case you understand the meaning of the words you use.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I think that says about all we need to say about our founder's-- and our constitution's-- stance on liberty.

 

Oh, why don't you go exalt a human sacrifice to your mind-policeman or something?

 

So they harm society rather than just themselves, that's what.

Not particularly.

Like Jesus did when He called the pharisees a bunch of snakes, you mean?

You did:

The homosexuals who wish to be Christian are Christian​

Becoming a Christian isn't like becoming a member of this board. It's more like becoming a Marine - or so I imagine, since I'm not a Christian.

I'm only talking about the ones who do.

 

Some people believe Christianity harms society, but I don't believe they have a right to tromp all over their rights to raise their children how they see fit. Same with homosexuals. They may raise their children however they like. And I certainly don't see how teaching a person to be tolerant of others is harming them.

If that's how you want to spread the word of your God then go for it. I don't care how you go about it, but the moment they tell you to leave them alone I hope you will.

My apologies, I stand corrected. Perhaps I will work on how I word things in the future so it's not taken so literally.

 

Yes He could - or, if you meant the devil, yes he can, and does it all the time.

Young man, you could memorize those, the records of the Philadelphia Convention and the state ratifying conventions, all the writings of Madison, Jefferson, and Hamilton, the commentaries by Story, and every SC opinion from 1789 onward...

...and you still wouldn't understand the first thing about the Constitution.

 

Old coot, you could completely ignore all of them, as you do, and definitely not understand the {nth | n∈[1,&#8734} thing about the Constitution.

 

But that's a false belief, regardless of how much it is reinforced by the hypocrisy of nominal Christians.

If you mean Christians don't have the right to keep "gay marriage" unacknowledged by government or keep pro-homosexual propaganda out of public schools, of course they do.

It isn't, as long he isn't being taught to be tolerant of the evil in others.

Not necessary.

I don't know how else to take what you wrote, other than the way I did.

 

It's not totally false. I certainly don't believe religion is inherently a bad thing, however it is bad when people use it to justify their hatred and bigotry.

I don't believe the government should be acknowledging anyone's marriage. Marriage is something that should remain within the churches and far, far away from the government. Having a holy deity validate your marriage should be more than enough for those who want to be wed in 'holy matrimony'.

Can you give me an example of homosexual propaganda in schools, because I was not aware there was any.

And exactly what 'evil' in others are you talking about?

 

You want to restrict my vote and yet tell me I am confused about freedom? Sure.

Quantrill

 

To yguy

The Pharisees were not following the Scriptures in Jesus day.

Quantrill

 

Yes it is.

Sure, but such behavior is antithetical to Christianity.

I don't keep very close track of such things, but this legislation would certainly provide additional opportunities for such propagandists in CA if it passed.

All of it.

Presumably this will prompt the question of how, when there is evil in everyone, one can refuse to tolerate evil without being a hermit. What needs to be understood is that evil is never tolerant of good, and is always trying to mess with your mind. For example, let's say you invite someone into your house, and he strolls casually over to your refrigerator and helps himself to some of its contents as if they were his for the taking. If you say nothing because you figure it's no big deal, you're tolerating something in him that will take advantage of you and others. You don't need to fly into a rage, but you are perfectly justified in making it clear he's out of order. Likewise, when professing homosexuals claim the right to teach children or to modification of the definition of marriage to suit their fetish, Christians, while they shouldn't get all Bible-thumpy and fire-and-brimstony, are well within their rights to tell them to back the hell off.

 

I doubt that, but even so, when the rich man said he had followed the commandments from his youth, Jesus didn't call him a liar, He said that wasn't enough.

 

Same-sex attraction is an established, two-millenia old form of sexuality. And not only is human same-sex attraction documented by cultural artefact and record, it is also established by coincidental evidence of homosexuality among other animal groups, now being equally documented by science.
No thing is a ''preference'' or a ''fetish'' when determined by the natural world to be a biological base for behavior; there is a biological base for homosexuality, and such behavior is entirely native to humans.
Present-day homosexual activists are not debauchees or perverts, they are humans expressing and attempting to maintain their freedom of action in Free Society.

As well meaning as Xtians may be, and as moral as the religious claim to be, they seem to have a hard time understanding that we live in a legally established secular state where people are free to do as they please from dogma. They do not apparently understand the difference between ''their rights'' and ''our rights''.

 

What the heck do you think a constitution is? We don't live in a direct democracy. We live in a constitutional repulic. That's why we've been the freest country in the world for so long-- we have the means to restrain majorities from voting away liberties. Why don't you move somewhere where your liberty is up for vote, if that's how you want to be free?

 

A Scriptural reference would be nice.

Quantrill

 

How do you think your 'representatives' are placed in power? These representatives are a major part of 'constitutional republic'. They are voted in.

The vote is extremely important in our free country. Yet you would take away my freedom to vote.

Quantrill

 

No, dumbass. I would take away your right-- which you never had-- to directly vote away the liberty of others, except insofar as you can amend the Constitution to explicitly do so, and that would be a grave injustice.

I'd also take away the right-- also, never defended and never deserved-- of the legislature to pass bills that it is not authorized to pass by the supreme law of the land.

Your capacity to vote is clearly delineated in the Constitution, and thankfully it has expanded to encompass a greater number of people than it did at the time it was penned. This is not to be construed so as to give us the right to vote liberty, or property, or life away from any man (or woman)-- the exception being, of course, in the case of those who've deprived others of such liberties themselves.

 

I find it disturbing that not only do you believe in a hateful and spiteful god, but even condone his vile acts against innocent human beings.

 

Because it shows what religion really is. Religion is a crutch. A crutch that can be used for one person to tell another person that they do not like or approve of the other persons action/beliefs w/o getting 'personal' about it.

 

Actually it is up to you.

You are the one that chooses to believe in this religious nonsense.

 

^^^ Oxymoron

 

So you admit there is a God?

 

I'll admit there is a 'god' that exists in your imagination