Do Muslims have "a duty to kill" anyone who insulted the Prophet Muhammad?

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You are just providing evidence for my point. BTW neither of those two named were Iraqi and were travelling on fake passports according to many sources; kuwaitees would not have been issued Iraqi passports. Who is this iraqi bomb maker?
     
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    The Invasion of Iraq was done as a DEMONSTRATION OF U.S. MILITARY POWER.

    Since the 9/11 attacks were done and planned by a terrorist group that did not have a specific country of origin although their base of operations was Afghanistan...it was thought a wide sweeping invasion and demonstration of U.S. Military Might would and could be used as a way to stop Middle Eastern Governments from supporting terrorist groups as such a massive invasion would place the 800 lbs Gorilla in the Room so to speak.

    AboveAlpha
     
  3. dixon76710

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    I didn't claim they were both Iraqi, only the bomb maker, Abdul Rahman Yasin. His father was Iraqi, in the US with his wife, getting his PHD, when Yassin was born in 1960. They moved back to Iraq soon after he was born, where he spent the rest of his life. Of course he was Iraqi. Saddam offered to turn him over to us several times, in exchange for ending the sanctions.
    And both Ramzi Yousef and his Uncle were ethnically Balochi from Pakistan, but spent much of their childhood in Kuwait, before returning to Pakistan. Balochistan is an area primarily within Iran. Saddam had a long history of supporting the Balochi, primarily Sunni, against the Shiite Iranians and government. Orchestrated primarily from their embassy in Pakistan. Again from the Iraqi Newspaper.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Nope, that was from a reporter, reporting the events he witnessed in Iraq and a Iraqi Newspaper. Not the government.
     
  5. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You really want to go there? He was in prison in Iraq. It was not in exchange for ending sanctions but for a statement from the US ackowledging that Iraq was not involved in the 1993 bombing to which the US refused even though the CIA say they had no information tying Iraq with the bombing. So this man on the US most wanted list was offered to the US for just a signed letter stating what they already had concluded. But of course, this would weaken the drip feeding to the public of the evilness of saddam who must be wiped out asap before he attacks us with his enormous wmd programme.

    What does this have to do with anything discussed so far apart from just proving more evidence for my point; drip feeding Kuwait = Iraq = Pakistan = Afghanistan. conclusion saddam is a threat to the USA and must be invaded. btw kuwait is not in Iraq
     
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    You claimed they were both Kuwaiti. Yasin is Iraqi and Ramzi was born in Kuwait to Balochi parents from Pakistan, all returned to Pakistan when Ramzi was a teen. Yasin, born to Iraqi parents in the US, from shortly after his birth as an infant, to the last time he has been seen by anyone in 2002, has been in Iraq, not Kuwait.

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  7. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    No I did not. I said the two named in your post, being Ramzi Youssef and Khalid Muhammad, were Kuwaiti. No one is saying that Yasin was not in Iraq because all say he was in prison there and filmed on 60 minutes. Also, how come he was released after being captured by the FBI but then was put onto the most wanted list once he got to Iraq- more drip feeding! What has Pakistan got to do with Iraq apart from the drip feeding again of the threat of Iraq to the US....
     
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    I named 3 in the post, only two of which traveled to the US on Iraqi Passports. Khalid wasn't in the US for the 93 bombing or 01 and was instead simply providing finances from Pakistan.


     
  9. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    If you are going to reply please check what you write:
    Here is your full quote:
    an Iraqi bombmaker and Ramzi Youssef, traveling with Iraqi passports detonate a bomb in the basement of WTC, and flee to Iraq. Ramzi Youssef, the nephew of Khalid Muhammad who materminded the 9/11 attacks.

    There are only two named people. You did not name Yasin but referred to him as the bomb maker. He travelled on an american passport
     
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    Ah, I didnt name the bomb maker until the next post, I had only referrred to him. STILL, Khalid had no Iraqi passport. He didnt travel to the US.
     
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    Yes, he did not have an Iraqi passport but nor did the bomb maker who had an American passport. The only one who had a fake Iraqi passport was the Kuwaiti who was not entitled to a genuine Iraqi passport.
     
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    Degestan, poet killed by fanatics [video=youtube;KMwjorkuKrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMwjorkuKrs[/video]
     
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    Killing is a grave sin in Islam only allowable in self-defense. Any person or government that stands for otherwise in the name of Islam is wrong. Taking one life in Islam is like taking the lives of all of mankind. Saving one life is like saving all of mankind. Don't believe the propaganda. The prophet (pbuh) himself took a lot of heat- having garbage thrown at him- and attempts at his life. He responded peacefully.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Then explain the WTC or the myraid of other terrorist activities done in the name of your horrible religion.
     
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    Yes- there are terrorists of all religions. The media also talks more about Muslim than others. Why doesn't the media talk about how a white terrorist came with explosives to blow up a Detroit mosque? They don't- cuz he's white and not muslim. Also- SO much terrorism is actually funded by the people who cry about it. You know- the people you listen to like a sheeple.
     
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    So one guy blows up a mosque and that justifies all the terrorism in the world conducted by your Muslim Religion.
    Where ever you find Muslims you find terrorism.
    In France, Spain, Germany, America, Africa, etc. Every place has Muslim terrorism trying to take control and force everyone to abide by Islam.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1444377/posts
    It's us or them.
     
  17. MuslimAmericanWoman

    MuslimAmericanWoman New Member

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    And Islmophobic Wiki is your source?
    Do you really want to go there? I have sources too- better than Wiki. You just hate on Islam. Hate stems from fear. Fear stems from ignorance. I understand the ignorance part- but what are you so afraid of?
     
  18. Goomba

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    The question you should be asking is why does the media not talk about the hundreds of civilians blown up by America drones (and we're limiting this question just to drone strikes).
     
  19. Slyhunter

    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    You can't argue against the content so you argue against the provider of the content instead. Typical liberal bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
    And 2. It's one of three sources you ignored the other two.

    http://mostintolerantreligion.com/m...-islamic-terror-attacks-for-the-past-30-days/
    I had more but had to shorten it due to length. How many more sources do I need to dig up before you get the picture?
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    And the media does talk about the drones. We know they are there. Don't blame us because your terrorists set up their camps inside of civilian targets. We have to kill them where they are at. They won't go into an empty field for us so we can kill them without killing civilians. And to not target them, to not kill them allows them to win because they can attack us any time they feel like it because they aren't adverse to killing of civilians.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Want more I got more
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    http://www.islam-watch.org/syedkamranmirza/what_is_islamic_terrorism.htm
    I got more than that. I got a Google's load of more.
     
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    Then Muslim terrorists have the right to bomb residential areas where US army personnel live. Don't blame the terrorists because your soldiers decided to live in residential areas.

    As for the media talking about drones- yeah right. A lone British soldier is killed in England, and its the end of the world; "Muslims follow an evil bla bla." The West has been committing and supporting terror against the Arabs for decades, and no one gives a ****. Your standard hypocrisy from the West.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Ask a terrorist and they tell you themselves they target civilians on purpose. They don't target where US Army personnel live and hit civilians. They admit it themselves.
    [video=youtube;KhctMpvszqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhctMpvszqQ[/video]
    He admits on video he didn't target the WTC because it was a military target but a civilian one.
    They blow up tea shops and school buses because they want to hit us where it hurts. Because they want to fill us with terror. That is what defines them as terrorists. If they were resistance fighters they would actually target military bases, recruiting centers, etc. But they don't. And that's the problem. Do you got it now?
     
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    The West has been killing their people (and indirectly refusing to condemn it) for decades. If your family was wiped out by a drone attack, would you really give a damn who the foreign air-force was targeting? Or better- if they had made a mistake and missed their intended target!

    Now, you may not go all radical and join (or start) a terrorist organization, or justify the killing of civilians. But you will certainly disagree with the nonsense you are writing here.

    One British soldier hacked to death on British streets- the horror!- while 500 buildings are destroyed and hundreds of civilians killed in the aftermath of the Israeli siege of Beirut.

    So yeah, pure Western hypocrisy. Do you understand it now?
     
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    We didn't start killing them until they killed us and gave us a reason to retaliate.
     

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