Do video games cause schizophrenia and delusional disorders?

I'd be much prouder if he won a Tae Kwon Do tournament - I don't believe that is any different or better than being a compulsive gambler - even if my kid was very good at poker, I wouldn't be proud of that. I wouldn't be proud of my kid if he was an alcoholic, even if he can win binge drinking contests either.

Saying that video games improve critical thinking skills, logic, etc is fallacious - some can to an extent, but many simply involve hours upon hours of repetitive, monotonous with little to no stimulation. Old-school arcade games are probably the most stimulating and developmental, since they are actually challenging and require quick reflexes and hand-eye coordination - many modern games are extremely dumbed down and 90% of the actual in-game time is simply mindless repetition with little to no challenge or stimulation - graphics, big explosions, etc being the only appeal. You could get more mental stimulation out of hitting a bong.

Playing 18 hours a day is very unhealthy, and encourages dependency, lack of physical fitness, and poor development of social skills and interaction. And playing 18 hours a day has nothing to do with learning how to be a programmer, anymore than drinking a 24 pack of beer a day has anything to do with learning how to start your own brewery.

 

It really isn't, because it discourages them from overcoming their introversion and gives them a way to withdraw from reality rather than learn how to deal with it better.

 

Then you must be suicidal by now?

ME: has the opposite effect. LMAO most of time. Like reading SMW posts and Awryly (best) posts.

Starting to like your threads a lot more.

 

Do you have any idea how useful it is for a kid to understand the advanced logic gates in MineCraft?

A kid that understands that at a young age will definitely get far in life.

 

I have actually given this advice to some of my friends that are concerned about video game use, and their kids.

We all grew up playing NES, SNES, Sega, Playstation. We were part of the last generation to play outside. Loved playing video games, but would still spend most of my time outside. I think these older video games were less stimulating, then the 22 button gameplay, and graphics that almost look real.

Let your kids play video games, but introduce them to MarioKart for SNES, you may find a new activity to share with your kids if you play the video games you did as a kid.

Besides old games helped build timing, single tracked thinking, and problem solving. These new games are more about multi-tasking, which has its advantages, but leads to scatter brained people. You can type and talk at the same time, well cool, I can do calculus. I call this game, I win.

 

If you study psychotic disorders you will know that schziophrenia's onset is often during late adolesent years. And delusional disorders are often diagnosed as a secondary to a primary psychotic disorder.

Videogames is a whole realm of its own. The variety of characters that play videogames is too diverse to pidgenhole in a couple of categories.

If someone does not have ratoional cognitive fuctions to begin with, they will likely be identified as schizophrenic or delusional regardless of what leasure activity they participate in.

 

That has nothing to do with playing 18 hours a day, every day.

 

Um, no....lol.

Once again, thanks for reminding why I don't listen to liberals.

 

I agree that if it's 18 hours a day it's probably a problem. But nothing wrong with it on the occasion. Are you saying you don't have days where you just feel like being a vegetable for the entire day? Sometimes if I've had a stressful week or I just accomplished something big I like to just spend an entire Sunday drinking beer on my couch in front of a TV.

It's no where near an every day thing. But it's nice to have lazy Sundays now and then.

 

You're right. Sorry for suggesting you have an opportunity to turn your kids into successful technology gurus. Carry on ripping away your kids hobbys and teaching them that the things they love to do cannot possibly produce anything. Your kids will make great factory workers some day.

 

Playing video games all day won't teach kids anything about technology or how to actually design games. Plus kids need to learn discipline and compromise instead of just that "doing what they want" is the ultimate virtue.

Health-wise, video games and internet use really are probably the least beneficial hobbies on the whole - virtually every other hobby at least involves some degree of physical and social stimulation. And chatting with some guys "on teh internets leik dis lulz!!!111" doesn't count as socialization.

 

Right - games like this are so mentally stimulating and developmental:



Seriously, this game for example is basically just a virtual girlfriend stimulator for neckbeards as a substitute for actually losing their virginity. You'd get more mental stimulation out of watching paint dry.

And great graphics are pretty much the opposite of stimulation. It'd be like claiming a mediocre action film is more stimulating than The Godfather just because it has big explosions. Stimulation refers to making people actually think and improve their skill, which is what old school arcade games did much moreso than time-wasters like "Skyrim", where 90% of the game is just graphics, and most of the gameplay simply involves mundane tasks which require the least mental stimulation possible.

And exception would be a game like Gran Turismo which does have great graphics, and is actually challenging and requires actual real-life driving skill.

 

Right, b/c beating a video game is such a marvelous accomplishment in life!

Sorry, I set standards higher then that beating video games. Video games is something my kids get to do AFTER real work is complete. My kid doesn't have to play 18 hrs a day to become a programmer IF, that is what he wants to do. He is more into military tech, so why would I encourage him to play video games? I encourage math, b/c if he wants to build weapons, that is what he will have to be good at, along with using his hands.

And what is this snarky remark you made about factory workers?....lol. Leave it up to a liberal to stick his foot in his mouth and insult hard working folks in factories. Hey Bill, are these the same factory workers you and liberals bitxh and complain about getting shipped overseas????....lol. So on the one hand, your insulting and insisting factory workers are garbage, and then on the other hand your pissing and moaning about outsourcing factory jobs.....lmao!!!

Once again, thanks for reaffirming why i don't listen to liberals.

 

I have no problem with factory workers. But I'd want more than that for my kids. Not many factory workers want to be factory workers. They do it because they have to make a living. I'd like it if my kids actually enjoyed getting up to go to work. Like I do because I chose a profession that was so close to my favorite hobby. Video games.

 

What is more ten putting food on the table Bill? Whether its a factory worker, a janitor, computer programmer. We need them all. All are honorable jobs and all can put food on the table, why is 1 greater or less then the other in your eyes?

Once again, the liberal in you puts foot to mouth.

A job, whether you like it or not, is a job. So what if you don't get the job you wanted, be thankful for the job you do have, b/c I am pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) sure there are millions of people wishing they had one. If money is what you worship, you will never be happy at any job. Be humble, be thankful, and hit your knees for what is given to you by God.

 

Because like too many on the right you'd rather live in your bubble and never have any of your preconceptions challenged, the dissonance would be too painful. So rather than hear out other peoples ideas and refute them, you shut your mind off to any alternatives.

I'm not even what you'd consider a "librul" but I find this line of thinking myopic, sheltered and close minded.

 

The stupid strawman that no one has said, and in fact the exact opposite has been stated.

Diversity is the spice of life, play football, watch TV, play some video game, read a book, listen to music. There's no reason one has to be done to the exclusion of others.

 

Actually, in my practice. I've seen some patients be referred to clinics where they use video games and simulators of various sorts to treat and manage schizophrenia... It's especially helpful for adolescents who may be a bit young for extensive pharmacotherapy and have a natural inclination towards gaming.

Though it is refreshing to see someone who seeks answers to questions like the OP.

 

I have a pretty good head on my shoulders Anik. I know the difference b/w good and bad advice, good and bad ideas.

I don't "tolerate" nonsense nor do I suffer fools. I am blunt and to the point. I am shut off from the ideas of those that make no sense. Your right about that.

I have a pretty good idea about what works and what doesn't. I am not gonna sit around listening to people debate on things I know won't work or don't work.

If that labels me "closed-minded" to you, I will gladly wear that as a badge of honor. I call it being secure, you might call it "intolerant"?

I don't tolerate stupidity, nor do I condone walking into a failed course of action, especially when time and time again it has been shown to fail.

There has been nothing said by Bill that I haven't heard a thousand times before. I need not listen to the insane to understand how insane the insane truly are.

 

I could be wrong, but didn't Bill say he played 18 hours a day?

 

Happiness. Self worth. Being able to distinguish yourself from the drones. I'd rather be the most self satisfied poor man than the saddest rich man.

A job is not a job. A job is something you do for at least 2/3 of your time not spent sleeping. A job should be as close to something you enjoy doing as possible.

Using your children's favorite hobbies to help them build skills is a sure way to get them into not only a successful job but a job they love waking up every day for. Ripping away their favorite hobbies and telling them that work is work and a job is a job is a great way to raise drones. Not entrepreneurs.

 

No I said 6-18 hours a day. 18 is an extreme. I also played a musical instrument, was on the swim team and read a lot of non fiction books.

 

Some things aren't always so obvious and that which we know based on anecdotal evidence may be wrong once we broaden our horizons, shutting yourself off to ideas breads an echo chamber of static thought that is unmalleable even in the face of truth. We all believe that we have a good head on our shoulders until confronted by a information that is both true and contrary to long held beliefs, our willingness to hear that information or refute it defines our character.

If you don't hear out the argument for the other side there's no possible way to know how to defeat it. Putting your head in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist is to embrace ignorance, pointing out it wrongness not only strengthens your positions but brings about the enlightenment of how to attack theirs.

Maybe this thread isn't a good example, but that general line of thinking I utterly detest regardless of whether we do or do not agree on any other topic.

Yikes, that's over board and I stand humbly corrected. That's what I get for skimming.

 

18 hours in a day. That's hardcore...

 

Yeah. No way I could ever do something like that now. But on a summer day where I didn't have anything to do and didn't feel like leaving the house? It happened. We're also talking when I was at an age too young to have a job. Somewhere late elementary/early middle school about. I'd take breaks obviously but not very long ones. I fully admit though that 18 hours is a real problem if it's a pattern. It wasn't a pattern for me. It was a rare occasion. Usually after getting a new strategy game.