Do you consider the people that died in 911 heroes?

I just think that this whole 911 is being commercialized. And the victims labeled as heroes. And the responders as heroes. Everyone is a HERO. Why is it that we have to label people that way in a tragic situation? They are being treated like the fallen men of the military. Doesn't anyone see a difference? they were office people that went to work and died due to an attack. How does this make them American heroes? The people in the towers were of all races and of different backgrounds. Some didn't believe in God or in politics. They were random people with different circusmtances. Do you agree with the way they are being portrayed in the media and by NYC? How does one compare a person burning to death to a servicemen in the military who went to war? A soldier chooses to go into the military, a 911 victim did not and did not die for America.

 

I'd say that the firemen who risked their lives were heroic, but simply dying in some disaster doesn't make anyone a hero.

 

Seems to me every dead soldier these days is labelled a 'hero', thus devaluing the term considerably. It's a pathetic and mawkish attempt by those with an agenda to pluck the emotional heartstrings.
Backdrops of flags and eagles behind scenes and pictures of disasters are equally facile.
So, no, those who died in 9/11 are no more 'heroic' than the victims of a train crash. Victims of circumstance.
Furthermore for an action to be labelled 'heroic' it needs to be pro-active and above and beyond the call of normal human behaviour.

 

I totally understand that. How do you think that honoring veterans relate to the victims of 911? isn't that veterans day? What i'm seeing here is an excuse for the president and the media by using 911 as a medium to glorify the war and the deaths. Where is the investigation? where is the mention of no weapons of mass destruction? How do you relate veterans going to war to victims in a building? thats what i'm asking.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/...ersary-commemorations-honoring-000347143.html


In Minneapolis today, President Barack Obama gave the first in a series of speeches marking the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The president spoke before a crowd of 6,000 veterans at the American Legion's national convention.

In his remarks, Obama called for Americans to honor the solemn anniversary by performing national service, and repeatedly praised the nobility of the 5 million Americans who have served in the U.S. military since 9/11. He called these soldiers and their families members of the "9/11 generation." Obama also expressed humble gratitude for the sacrifice of more than 6,200 American servicemen and women who have been killed in conflict since 9/11.

 

This is so true. I know some people in the military here and they know that once they join...they are heroes in the minds of the some. I hate all the propaganda that's being thrown at us this time on the tenth anniversary of 911. Being american or heroic has absolutely nothing to do with this. Or being unamerican. I just don't see how this attack is being used to display flags and promote war. It's sick.

 

Elevating a serving grunt to the status of 'nobility' is simply classic chest-thumping, rabble-rousing rhetoric.
Anyone signing on the line understands perfectly well what they are doing and potentially letting themselves in for, but simply being killed in the line of duty is not, in my opinion, cause for elevation to hero status. Risking one's own life in the cause of saving others' lives, be it civilian or military, might be. I don't know; I'm not comfortable with labels like 'hero'.

 

Very well said. Look at this video. Now we have a Hero's Run raising money.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTndnhSKgGg"]9/11 Heroes Run - Honor the Fallen - YouTube[/ame]

 

I just had a terminal falling-out with a girlfriend because I refused to forward one of those chain emails about 'our boys, fighting to protect our freedom', and which I responded to in robust terms. Don't want to hear strong opinions? Don't send me crap without discussing it first!

 

The first responders are Heroes in my mind , the workers in the buildings are victims,

 

Hey good for you. I live in california and people are extremely touchy about this. You can't talk bad about anyone in the military here because we have camp pendelton and the navy seal teams here... And they all get hero status. Everyone is putting up flags and getting ready for the American propaganda here coming the 11th.

 

the poll is way too simplistic. You cant' lump everyone together, they were individuals.

Some were heros, some were victims, some were simple office workers...

for example: there were some people stuck in an elevator during the attack, they didn't get a scratch, walked away...they were simple office workers..

then there was the guy that climbed down fifty flights of stairs, came upon a woman in a wheelchair on a landing on the 20th floor, picked her up on his back and carried her the remaining 20 floors, delivered her to a triage station and walked away without even giving his name. HE'S a HERO.

They can't/shouldn't be lumped together, they were all individuals and they all have their own individual stories.

I just reread the Op....you are talking ONLY about the dead people but even there, not all who died are the same..

 

can I recommend you read a couple of books on the subject? in particular "102 Minutes"...it tells some of the stories of the survivors (and some who died)....not all were faceless victims...as the song says "Some went down like heros" You cant' lump everyone together.

 

he is trying to dilute the whole 911 anniversary. The Left doesn't want us to remember it, they particularly don't want us to remember the part about Muslim extremists.

 

The first responders were heros, the ones who died dvds the ones who survived. Those who saved others were heros, the ones who lived and the ones who died. Everyone else was a victim.

 

Americans tend to go 'over the top' with everything. Some person sitting at their desk on the 81st floor of the WTC when suddenly a commercial jet comes flying through the window...nothing heroic happened. Tragic, yes. Heroic, no. As to the firemen, cops,EMT's..that may be a different issue. These people, collectively, spent many hours/days doing things that you or I may have found difficult to do. Are they heroic? Depends on how one defines heroism. It was a unique situation. One that produced a different level of mass consciousness. Like a battle in some war. Operating at that level isn't heroic, it's psychological.

 

I consider them victims. I'm sure some helped others get out...they are hero's. The real hero's are the those on flight 93 who knew what was going to happen and took matters into their own hands. The police, emergency personal and firefighters were hero's too.

9/11 was an inside job.

 

First partisian attack of the thread... claiming others are diluting the memory when you are the one using it for your political agenda.

 

The term Hero is over-used and as such, it is being debased.

Your poll questions are too generic. People who did heroic things that day, of which there are many, are heroes. the Firefighters rushing up the stairs were brave, but I don't think they thought that the building was going to fall on them, so their bravely might not reach heroic propoertions. Now there were others that rushed up into the fire and smoke to try to help co-workers who knew they were risking their own lives, those people were heroic.

 

Most were simply victims of Islamists. Some died as heroes in attempting to save others. First responders who rushed to the scene gave their lives that others may live.

I agree that the term hero has been cheapened by the pop culture. Now, if you partake in charity wine tasting, you are often called a hero by someone who no idea what the word means.

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I agree. The Flight 93 people who attacked the terrorists were the best of our country and should inspire all Americans. They were heroes and should have been commissioned as reserve officers in the military and awarded our nation's highest honor. Not to prove that we honor them but so that their kids and spouses know that we will never forget those men and women who saved us the national trauma of having our Capital Building wrecked.

What it was doing and will continue to do is pandering to veterans by offering massive dependency programs designed to add more votes to his tally next year. If a vet's mother hears him grown while he is a sleep after talking to a fellow Marine who had been in Iraq he is eligible for presumed PTSD disabled and can get payments from the VA. After the guy is added to the rolls the VA will have to prove that he was dreaming about something else to get him off of the rolls. I know a couple of Vietnam Vets who are almost deaf from firing 105s and they have never considered applying for disability. I wouldn't blame them if they did but people from that era are more self sufficient.

 

what political agenda is that, since you know me so well!?

 

Totally! The firefighters, police, and civilians who risked there own lives, and those who died along with the "victoms", to save as many people as possible are the real hero's. The dudes that brought the 4th plane down are also heros.

 

no, but Ann Coulter said their widows were "whores" in one interview and this in another;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBUGs2RsmaI"]Ann Coulter Slams Single Mothers and 9/11 Widows - YouTube[/ame]

and this from Glenn Beck on some of the widows INCLUDING Beverly Eckert who was anti-war but, Beck forgets that fact....


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlbCBu9JevI"]Proof that Glenn Beck is a ******bag - YouTube[/ame]

 

Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck are wing-nuts. They are the right wing version of Rev Wright. They preach hatred.

 

I agree with him. Obama and the liberals are distracting you by telling you the stories about heroes, making it look all pretty. The REAL story is not being told. Terrorits, Islamic muslims living here in our country ready to attack.