Do you consider the people that died in 911 heroes?

Needless partisan attack.

I think this thread, unlike the majority of threads on this forum, is actually very insightful and for once nonpartisan.

The hype machine in this country is out of control. I don't see how someone sitting at his desk sipping a latte while making cover sheets for his TPS reports is a "hero." If he's killed he is a tragic victim, but I think "hero" is a bit much. When postal workers were "going postal" I don't remember anyone calling their victims "heroes."

I am avoiding TV like the plague for about a week so I am not subjected to 9/11 hype. Just like I avoided TV during the last hurricane. It's also why I change the channel when I hear things like Kardashian, Paris Hilton, Jersey Shore, etc.

The "Greatest Generation" gets Sgt Basilone and we get a guy making copies... wonderful.

 

Soldiers get paid too.

They could have walked off the job the way numerous police officers did in New Orleans during Katrina. Instead they ran into a burning building. I don't think they did it for a paycheck. Frankly for most of them I'm sure 9/11 was unlike anything they ever imagined they would be doing for money. I don't think money was on their minds at all during that ordeal.

 

And you can be a victim and whore it as was Ms. Coulter's point.

Are you insinuating the women Ms. Coulter was specifically speaking of represented ALL the 9/11 victims?

They were not experts on anything but went around demanding things based on their victimhood, that is called whoring it.

 

You prefer rulers?

 

I was unaware Coulter was a victim of 9/11......

zong

 

They were attempting to do so off their OWN victimhood not someone else's.

 

Are people who die by meteor strikes heroes or just people in the wrong place at the wrong time (0:35- 0:50)?

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Although I agree with you, I'll add a caveat. The men and women on Flight 93 were heroes. We can only makes guesses where that plane was headed.

 

Everyone in NYC thinks they were victims...They could have been 100 miles away and they still call themselves victims.

I just find it disturbing that the media is making money from this with commercials and specials. It's all about ratings...no one cares if anyone died anymore..it's all about the heroes...The heroes this, the heroes that...

Glorification..

 

All partisanship put aside, it just makes me sad thinking about how terrified that they were as they rushed into the buildings to their deaths, just doing their jobs. You just have to wonder what they were thinking about; their families, their moms and dads, all the things that they loved to do or ever wanted to do, etc. I remember seeing footage of some of the guys in the lobby, the firemen, and the looks on their faces as they knew what was happening and how they were very likely not going home that day. It's just a sad friggin' feeling, even nowadays, ten years later.

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They didn't know the towers were going to collapse paco. I guarantee you if they KNEW they were coming down they wouldn't be going inside. Hero or not. The towers were detonated from within.

 

Don't hand me that b.s. The towers were never detonated. It was NOT an inside job. Just stop with that crap right now. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Alright. It was just a thought.

 

Very good comments on this thread. thanks...And don't forget a moment of silence today at 846am.

 

soldiers, anybody in the medical field, police men, firefighters i consider heroes, because they go by an oath to help make the country safer for people. 911 victims are just that...... victims. they weren't even aware that that plane was headed towards them.

 

Holy thread resurrection batman!

The unarmed passengers who attacked the hijackers were heroes.
The men running up 80 something flights of stairs were heroes. The first responders in general were heroic.
The occupants of the building who were ushering people into the stairwells and helping those injured and disable were heroic.
The rescue teams digging and cutting through twin versions of among the tallest structures ever built looking for survivors on 24 hour shifts, breathing in that mess... were heroes. The city itself deserves a pat on the back for its handling of the tragedy.

There were lots of heroes on 9/11 who were victims. No, every single person who died was not a hero... but a remarkable number of heroic deeds were done that day, and a staggering number of heroes did die that day.

 

im very much aware of this. what i mean is that i just think the word hero is thrown around to much that the word has lost its meaning?

 

"staggering number of heroes did die that day."

I agree but to the liberal horde a hero is a homo celebrity that tells the world that he engages in perverted sex acts with other men.

 

So were mere victims, some were victims who became heroes of the moment.

 

And you chose to dig up a 2 year old thread in order to make this point specifically about 9/11... and I think that is werid. Especially as you acknowledge a staggering amount of what you consider heroes being lost... unless of course your "awareness" does not translate into "agreement", and you do not consider those detailed as heroes. Could you please clarify?

 

yeesh! i put one thought on here and i get bashed in every corner!

fine then lets put it like this i see them more as victims then heroes, happy? is that acceptable enough for America?

 

I did not bash you. I asked you a question. If running up 80 stories into a towering inferno is not heroic.. I wonder if your heroes have adamantium bones.

 

.........crap!! i just remember this book my teacher read us about this women who survived. she actually tried to help these other people, AND she was like on the 60th floor. okay the majority of those people were heroes, but i see them a little more as victims than heroes... i wasnt trying to say there werent heroes in some way. i just see so many selfish people that i was only thinking about people pushing other people to get out of the door first.

 

The poll doesn't mention other nationalities who were killed in 9/11. From what I remember, 66 Brits lost their lives along with 10 Australians. Over 90 countries are represented in the death toll, the UK being the greatest representation of foreign nationals.

Are their deaths any less significant than Americans?

A workmate at the time, his nephew lives and works in NYC. His office is about 500 metres from the towers. He worked back the night before to finish off some work and decided to have a late start in the morning. He saw the entire event unfold from his apartment balcony and actually rang my friend to turn his TV on. Interesting.

 

Hero should be reserved for someone who knowingly put themselves in harms way to perform a task whether its completing a mission or helping someone. There were heroes in the buildings on 9/11 like the office manager who kept going back up the flight of stairs to keep helping people but outside of those tales the rest were just victims.

Hero is being thrown around willy nilly lately for anyone that dies whether they were actually acting bravely or just happened to be on the wrong place at the wrong time. I cut soldiers in combat zones some slack because even if they weren't technically doing anything heroic by getting killed by an IED they are constantly exposed to them on a daily basis.