Do you have a gun at home?

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Do you have a gun at home?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    31 vote(s)
    34.8%
  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Without exception, NO anti-gunner EVER responds to pointing out the over 1,000,000 felonies, 500,000 home invasions and 200,000 rapes prevented each year, rarely with even a shot fired.

    Most anti-gunners don't care about victims, nor anyone else. It would seem they want to justify their not having a firearm as their commitment to never defending anyone else, for which the best way not to seem a coward is to make so no one else could defend anyone either, plus maybe they feel the more people available to be victims the odds are less likely they will be targeted.
     
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    False.
    if a home invader knows there is a gun in the house , he won't invade the house.
    Unless, of course, he is there with the purpose to kill whoever is in the house -- in which case he will have a gun, regardless.

    The law, at least in many places, disagrees.
    Further, if an intruder trying to steal a TV has, or brandishes a weapon, he immediately opens himself to being killed in self-defense.

    Non-sequitur - Killing someone in self-defense is not punishment and is not justice.

    That you might m,ore easily off yourself in no way creates an argument against me having guns.
     
  3. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Her messages are incredibly naive. If an intruder were to bring a gun because the resident(s) are armed, then clearly the intention of the intruder was to murder the resident(s) anyway, so they better be armed.

    What she does not understand is that there are around 1,000,000 home invasions where the goal is not theft, it is to rape, assault or murder those inside. Remember the home invaders who raped and then burned to death a man's entire family? He was very much opposed to having firearms. It cost his entire family horrific deaths.

    2/3rds of stranger-rapes occur during home invasions. Home invasions in which everyone in the house is murdered is not rare and home invasions where the woman/women are raped numbers into the tens of thousands.
     
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    Hyperbole much?

    Over the last ten years, handguns were used to commit more than half of the total murder, and the huge majority of murders by firearms.

    The "basic" right to bear arms was protected by the 2nd so that, in part, people would have weapons suitable for service in the militia.
    How does this not describe the AR-15?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
     
  6. perdidochas

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    True, that's why my assumption is that anybody that's breaking into an occupied house has an agenda other than just burglary or is totally crazy (and thus unpredictable and a risk to me). Anybody just looking for stuff is going to break into unoccupied houses during the day, not an occupied house at night.

    Exactly, the assumption is that the homeowner shouldn't have to try to determine the reason somebody is breaking into their home. They have the assumption per law (at least in castle doctrine states) that the intruder is there to harm them.


     
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    You are so funny! Paranoid would be a better word!

    I have lived for 65 years in several countries around the world and in 5 States in the US. . .NEVER fearing being attacked, and never experiencing any aggression. I do not need a gun to feel safe. . .I am safe.

    In fact, statistics show that I am SAFER without a gun than with a gun! So. . .I feel sorry for you to feel so insecure and to NEED that FALSE Sense of safety that owning a gun seems to give you!
     
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    So... why do we need more gun control?
     
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    Whatever you say, dear!
    I will NEVER feel safer with a gun or with people who own a gun than I do now. The number of gun death in the US compared to the rest of the world is enough of a statement to support the FALSE sense of security experienced by gun owners. . .who appear to be the most fearful and paranoid people on earth!

    You like what you have. . .fine! I hope you never have to become one of the statistics. . .you or one in your family!

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    Simply to reduce the huge amount of gun death in the US, as compared to most other civilized countries. If you can't figure that out. . .your gun may not be our only problem!
     
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    But... I thought we were safe and didn't need guns?
     
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    Correct. . .but since so many are addicted to guns, we need regulations to reduce the damage done by that addiction.
     
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    If we're safe, then guns pose no threat.
    If guns are no threat, then they do not need further regulation.
    If guns are a threat, then we're not safe.
    So.. which is it?
     
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    Over 25 in the safe. Handguns, bolt guns, AR's, shotguns and even a lever action Henry Golden Boy 22lr.
     
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    Maybe it's just me. But I'm not worried about armed bad guys. What I find threatening are people on cell phones, driving SUV's. It's a daily thing. Go somewhere, be very cautious. Anybody ever see what an auto accident can do to the human body?
     
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    I suppose you feel the same about seat belts and fire extinguishers......
     
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    I live in hurricane country. Any given week in the summer, I could be subjected to a loss of electricity and communications. For that reason, a firearm is a nice thing to have (along with a week of food and water).

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    Why? We are at historically low levels of murders and violent crimes. Our murder rate is the lowest it has been since we started systematically recording it in 1960.
     
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    She's from Belgium.
    The biggest threat she faces is another German occupation, so you cannot really expect her to understand any of that.
     
  18. JakeJ

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    Until YouTube pulled it down, there was a home video cam of a man tied up in a manner that had him watching a home intruder repeatedly rape his wife. To true anti-gunners, he is the perfect husband. In their view, no one got hurt in such an incident. All anti-gunner husbands committed to no gun in the house are exactly that husband. They don't even pretend they would hope to act to protect their wives and children.

    The man in New England whose whole family was assaulted and then burned to death also was such an anti-gun husband and father too.

    Over 2/3rds of stranger rapes are committed by home intruders. There are, however, numerous stories of women alone who stopped such intruders with a firearm. Firearms stop 200,000 rapes per year, and half a million home invasions.
     
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    What does this have to do with what I wrote?
     
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    I could have you confused with someone else, didn't you claim you don't have a gun giving reasons why - and your opinion on gun ownership? I gave my views on bicycle ownership along the same logically lines as some anti-gunners.
     
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    Suicides is not an issue regarding guns. There are countries with strict anti-gun laws and few people own firearms with higher suicide rates. In the USA, men tend to use a firearm or hanging for suicide. Women tend to use pills, poison and cutting.
     
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    Everyone knows that this is logical, but when logic interferes with Americans and their rights, they chose to ignore logic.
     
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    Other than factually false it is quite logical - to most cowardly apathetic anti-gunners committed to never defending anyone or themselves.

    In fact, firearms prevent 500,000 home invasions and 200,000 rapes per year. Over 2/3rds of stranger rapes occur during home invasions. There are hundreds of incidents by mere googling where home invasions were repelled by the resident with a firearm.
     
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    No, I said I don't have a gun and have never fired one. I never stated why I don't own one, and I didn't give my opinion on gun ownership.
     
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    Your exercise of sarcasm has been noted.

    Why not?

    The FBI has shown that a much as eighty percent of all homicides in the united states are directly attributed to those who have disqualifying criminal records, and should be in prisons, but instead are continually allowed back into society where they have demonstrated that they cannot, and will not abide by the rules. If they were not subjected to the catch and release methodology of criminal justice, the homicide rate in the united states would be drastically lower.
     

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