Do You Prefer Capitalism or Socialism?

When was this lol? The good old days? You should read the good old days they were terrible! This is the highest point we have reached so far as far as fairness and justice. But we are far behind every other modern country at this point after 30 years of GOP giveaway to the rich and screwed job for the rest... The worst inequality and upward mobility is not trivial.

 

Sure .. building roads and hospitals.

Not wiping peoples' asses. That's OUR job. Wipe our own, plus wipe the asses of those we love when they can't do it for themselves.

 

Old days, new days, whatever. And terrible by what measure? You think a galloping homelessness problem and widespread dissolution is the way forward?

It's one thing to have good public education and healthcare, but we still need to be dependable grown ups. No idea why you think the need to be responsible should diminish over time.

 

No, that's just what YOU want from government. My government also helps those who need personal help. Governments that provide these things get re-elected time and again so I assume that's what most people want.

 

What sort of 'people' want to enable a society which abandons their own, in the hope that someone else (ie Govt) will do their job for them? I would advise against giving that line of thinking anything but contempt.

What I want from Govt is people empowerment, not disenfranchisement.

 

No idea what society that would be. But enabling your representatives to look after the needy in your society is neither abandonment nor does it exclude you from helping as well.
Indeed your version of society involves abandoning anyone not personally known to you. Not a society of good samaritans then?

 

People did not magically become lazy and stupid, college and traininging is ridiculously expensive our infrastructure sucks etc etc because of 30 or 40 years of GOP giveaway to the rich upper tax rates and screw job for everyone else. Change the channel

 

What?

We have a representative democracy also known as a Republic, so it is all the people. We get the least benefits of any modern country by far, only the brainwash makes this mess possible..... Tax the rich for crying out loud and invest in America and Americans again. Americans didn't just get magically stupid and lazy lol, the brainwashed GOP outlook....

 

Ask any socialist, socialism is simply fair capitalism with a good safety net. Every modern country has it except for us. We don't have healthcare help with daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training!! Of course no sacrifice is too great to save the greedy idiot GOP rich from paying their fair share. Change the channel

 

That your system no longer makes the USA a dream location for the rest of the first world. Litigious, aggressive, uncaring, dog eat dog are phrases likely to be used to describe America.
Such a shame. I have only been to the states once, but the Americans we met would go to extraordinary lengths to help us as strangers.

 

1) A Welfare State, that's what society that is. And I have no intention of enabling politicians to do my job for me. Nor yours.

2) Of course, how can anyone (you OR me) be expected to care for strangers, when we have our own to care for? That's an outrage. The goal (and the only successful model for human existence ever known), is that ALL of us take care of our own. When we all take care of our own, no one is abandoned. That's the point of the exercise, to stop the abandonment. Abandonment only happens because people think someone else will clean up the mess they leave when they abandon. That's the fault of a Welfare State. The Welfare State created the abandonment. Welfare was only ever intended to help those genuinely unable to help themselves .. but in the standard hubris of the massively privileged, no proper limits were set, so it has been thoroughly abused to the point of altering culture. And a good Samaritan is someone who takes care of themselves and their loved ones, without burdening their fellows.

 

Your just repeating yourself now and it seems the voters in your society disagree with you.
And the good Samaritan was NOT as you describe, he was the exact opposite, the whole point of the story is that he stopped and helped a stranger, both physically and financially

 

That's what you get with a Reagan tax rate on the rich, a huge giveaway to the rich and a screw job for everyone else. We have by far the worst upward mobility and inequality in the modern world and are the only modern country without a health care daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap college and training grade infrastructure and vacations high decades to end illegal immigration and mainly taxing the rich and giant corporations their fair share. Americans are wonderful people but the GOP politics are a total mountain of lies and hate from Rupert scumbag Murdoch and internet crazies. We need socialism which is simply fair capitalism with a good safety net, but because of the Savage capitalist English speaker conflation, any discussion of socialism immediately becomes so you are in favor of Stalinism then lol arrrrr g g h.

 

Yes, in America socialism and communism are one and the same.

 

That Samaritan lived 2000 years ago, when The Village was still a thing. You know, a time and place where everyone in the village was responsible and doing the right thing, so our Samaritan had the time/resources to stop and help a sole stranger. Try that in a 'village' of 350 million, when a third of the inhabitants can't be assed taking care of themselves. You've just made the point for me. When we all do the right thing, there are more resources and time for those in genuine need. I said that in my earlier post - and as you point out, I repeat it often.

PS: Are you saying that the majority of Left voters want someone else to take responsibility for them and their families? What do you mean by society disagrees with me?

 

I find it incredibly sad that you feel you don't have time to help a stranger, that you wont experience the joy of helping someone for purely altruistic reasons. Its feel good at another level.

I'm saying the majority of voters left right and centre want a government that provides a safety net that covers all those in need.
You claiming that means they don't also want to help individually is a sad reflection on you and your outlook

 

1) My dear, I've spent my life helping strangers on behalf of my Govt. In fact I've just returned to it, after a number of years supporting my children through their education (and volunteering). And that's precisely WHY I know how important it is to address the root cause of so much social disenfranchisment. I get to see the worst end results of our abandonment of social responsibility.

2) Yes, those in NEED. Not those who can't be assed.

 

Which is brainwashed idiocy. Ask any socialist. You may have to go where they don't speak English / savage capitalist

 

I find it hard to believe this.

 

Of course. But Americas history is built on fear of communism, so its easy to scare the children.

 

Charles de Gaulle would say anglo-americans....

 

Of course you do, because it messes with your perpsective on my perspective.

Let me be clear though - I'm no charity queen, I do this stuff for a living. If I wasn't paid for it I wouldn't do it. Having said that, I only ever wanted to work in 'public service', with direct impact on the community. For me, there is simply more enjoyment and satisfaction, when a difference is made to lives lived. It's just as selfish as any other career preference, IOW.

 

Yeah that sounds about right.
Yuk.

 

Yet people doing regular stuff for a living, aren't 'yuk'?

You really need to be opposed to me, dontcha Young Tigger

 

Yet people doing a vocation just for the money.
(i like young! I'm a young 62)